From: assimilate on

On 22-Feb-2010, Carbon <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote:

> > perhaps, but the unemployment of the young due to the cost of hiring
> > is a hard, verifyable fact.
>
> But much of your criticism centers on the alleged difficulty in firing
> people. It has nothing to do with universal healthcare.

did you see only half my reasoning, the half that doesn't agree with your
ideology?

--
bill-o
From: BAR on
In article <clark-AE7862.09022523022010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio-
state.edu>, clark(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio-state.edu says...
> >
> > Not much market? Are you serious? Have you ever set foot in a major
> > city? Have you ever used public transportation in NY or DC or
> > Chicago?
>
> 30,000 people commute into Columbus every day down SR 315. I am one of
> them. Every car on the road has but one occupant, and there is no public
> transport alternative. That is just stupid.

What are you doing about it other than making statements? Have you
gotten a group of people together to commit to purchasing bus passes for
10 years to fund the bus route?

Talk is easy, action is hard. We know what you do best.


From: BAR on
In article <clark-F4D238.17371623022010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio-
state.edu>, clark(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio-state.edu says...
> > > What's more important, quality of life or length of life? I did more by
> > > the age of 30 than you've done in your entire life.
> >
> > The stats are bogus anyways, as are most politically based stats. The
> > costs stats don' t include the cost of the system and the cost of
> > governance associated with that, only the cost of the "care". The life
> > expectancy stats don't include everybody in places like France, and
> > don't include the fact that the US is a gathering place of people from
> > around the world, whereas France is for French only, and not too many
> > other people want to go there. Funny that an alien in the US is
> > failing to account for this. I wonder though, if Americans treated
> > Mexicans the way the French treat Algerians, or the way the Italians
> > treat North Africans, would the outcry not be deafening?
>
> What total apologist BS. Are you nuts?
>

The US is the largest heterogeneous society in the world. One would have
to expect some effects of genetic and cultural influences upon the
things such as life expectancy.
From: BAR on
In article <57e2b000-baf7-4a07-b3f1-
c59ebe1221fb(a)t23g2000yqt.googlegroups.com>, frostback2002(a)att.net
says...
>
> On Feb 22, 7:28�pm, Carbon <nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
> > On Mon, 22 Feb 2010 19:15:43 -0500, BAR wrote:
> > > In article <4b8307e0$0$5115$9a6e1...(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>,
> > > nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says...
> >
> > >> 1. Cost of healthcare per capita as a percentage of GDP.
> >
> > > When reporters asked Shepard what he thought about as he sat atop the
> > > Redstone rocket, waiting for liftoff, he had replied, 'The fact that
> > > every part of this ship was built by the low bidder.'
> >
> > >> 2. Average life expectancy by country.
> >
> > > What's more important, quality of life or length of life? I did more
> > > by the age of 30 than you've done in your entire life.
> >
> > The problem is that while the US outspends every single country on the
> > planet in healthcare, its health outcomes are terrible. Fully four dozen
> > countries have better average life expectancies than the US. It's unjust
> > and it's corrupt, but mostly it's just inefficient.
>
> Terrible? So if you need health care you will go back to Canada, or go
> to Sweden to get better healthcare? The best healthcare is in the US,
> and variable to the overwhelming majority of Americans and to anyone
> else in the world who wants it. You can quote all the stats you want,
> but to deny the quality of care in the US makes your side look like
> idiots.
>
> What is silly is that you want to destroy that quality of care for the
> sake of the concept of universal entitlement. What is really idiotic
> here is that every one of us will in fact get sick and die, and no
> govt entitlement boondoggle will change that.

Danny Williams,
http://www.google.com/hostednews/canadianpress/article/ALeqM5h0QC7bditrE
b3wYz_6_b-gsGGDxA, is the anti-poster-boy for Canadian Health Care
System. Where would Danny Williams have gone to get his heart operation
if the US had a Canadian style health care system?

"I have the utmost confidence in our own health care system in
Newfoundland and Labrador, but we are just over half a million people,"
he said.

"We do whatever we can to provide the best possible health care that we
can in Newfoundland and Labrador. The Canadian health care system has a
great reputation, but this is a very specialized piece of surgery that
had to be done and I went to somebody who's doing this three or four
times a day, five, six days a week."

Rationing at its best. Care and compassion at its worst.
From: BAR on
In article <d24f4c17-f61a-4694-9996-
9165206d2d7a(a)q29g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>, johnb505(a)gmail.com says...
>
> On Feb 23, 4:43�pm, Dinosaur_Sr <frostback2...(a)att.net> wrote:
> > On Feb 22, 7:54�pm, Carbon <nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Mon, 22 Feb 2010 19:37:35 -0500, BAR wrote:
> > > > In article <4b832127$0$4888$9a6e1...(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>,
> > > > nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says...
> > > >> On Mon, 22 Feb 2010 19:15:43 -0500, BAR wrote:
> > > >>> In article <4b8307e0$0$5115$9a6e1...(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>,
> > > >>> nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says...
> >
> > > >>>> 1. Cost of healthcare per capita as a percentage of GDP.
> >
> > > >>> When reporters asked Shepard what he thought about as he sat atop
> > > >>> the Redstone rocket, waiting for liftoff, he had replied, 'The fact
> > > >>> that every part of this ship was built by the low bidder.'
> >
> > > >>>> 2. Average life expectancy by country.
> >
> > > >>> What's more important, quality of life or length of life? I did more
> > > >>> by the age of 30 than you've done in your entire life.
> >
> > > >> The problem is that while the US outspends every single country on
> > > >> the planet in healthcare, its health outcomes are terrible. Fully
> > > >> four dozen countries have better average life expectancies than the
> > > >> US. It's unjust and it's corrupt, but mostly it's just inefficient.
> >
> > > > Why is life expectancy your only measure of a satisfactory health care
> > > > system?
> >
> > > There are other measures of course, but I like life average expectancy
> > > because it delivers hard, verifiable numbers about how good a job does
> > > of keeping its citizens alive. Coupled with the cost per capita cite,
> > > there is insight into how efficiently a country provides healthcare for
> > > its citizens. It would appear that the US healthcare system is very
> > > inefficient compared with dozens of other countries.
> >
> > > And, it doesn't hurt that average life expectancy cite comes from the
> > > CIA's own World Fact Book.http://goo.gl/fZQW
> >
> > Then why do people from all over the world come to the US for
> > healthcare?- Hide quoted text -
> >
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> They don't.

Danny Williams does. He wanted to live so he went to Miami to get his
heart fixed rather than die waiting in line in Canada.