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From: John B. on 25 Feb 2010 09:14 On Feb 25, 12:42 am, assimil...(a)borg.org wrote: > On 24-Feb-2010, Carbon <nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote: > > > >>> It does matter, but efficiency and gov't are opposites. > > > >>Really? Are you sure you're not being biased? > > > > I suppose it depends on whether the government is doing what I think > > > it should be doing or what you think it should be doing. > > > It is ridiculous to claim that government and efficiency are opposites. > > It may often be true. It may even mostly be true. But it's not always > > true. Is it? > > If all you have is that, then you haven't got much. > > -- > bill-o And what do you have, other than the anecdotal experience of your mother?
From: William Clark on 25 Feb 2010 09:50 In article <MPG.25f03e677f4d71b5989c5c(a)news.giganews.com>, BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote: > In article <clark-84D2A4.07552125022010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio- > state.edu>, clark(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio-state.edu says... > > > > In article <MPG.25ef8b878a0a0d22989c59(a)news.giganews.com>, > > BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote: > > > > > In article <clark-26AD1C.09041624022010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio- > > > state.edu>, clark(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio-state.edu says... > > > > > > > > In article <MPG.25eee5eba382fbec989c4d(a)news.giganews.com>, > > > > BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > In article <clark-AE7862.09022523022010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio- > > > > > state.edu>, clark(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio-state.edu says... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not much market? Are you serious? Have you ever set foot in a > > > > > > > major > > > > > > > city? Have you ever used public transportation in NY or DC or > > > > > > > Chicago? > > > > > > > > > > > > 30,000 people commute into Columbus every day down SR 315. I am one > > > > > > of > > > > > > them. Every car on the road has but one occupant, and there is no > > > > > > public > > > > > > transport alternative. That is just stupid. > > > > > > > > > > What are you doing about it other than making statements? Have you > > > > > gotten a group of people together to commit to purchasing bus passes > > > > > for > > > > > 10 years to fund the bus route? > > > > > > > > > > Talk is easy, action is hard. We know what you do best. > > > > > > > > http://tiny.cc/pQdJ9 > > > > > > Not surprisingly I saw no references to William Clark or any other forms > > > of your name. > > > > > > As usual your efforts go no further than providing a URL to someone > > > else's work. > > > > I do my work behind the scenes. > > > > Providing a URL is all the effort your nonsense merits. Sorry. > > Does taking credit for the work of others fall under unethical conduct > or is it just a lie? You understand as little about the rules of attribution as you do about AGW or anything else.
From: Dinosaur_Sr on 25 Feb 2010 13:52 On Feb 24, 12:04 pm, "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Feb 24, 11:45 am, "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: > > > > > "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > > >news:66a382e7-477b-4f03-8100-bc74cb52ae96(a)d27g2000yqf.googlegroups.com.... > > > As I said, and you seem to have missed, I thought the original health > > care bill with the public option represented a good solution. It would > > have forced some competition into the health insurance industry, where > > at present there is none, because the industry is expempt from anti- > > trust laws. Repealing the exemption, as Obama has proposed, would be a > > very positive step. But, like everything else, it will probably pass > > the House then get filibustered to death in the Senate, where the > > Republicans' pockets are bulging with insurance industry money. > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > > So in your mind, there is no competition among health insurance companies? > > All are linked together in a massive conspiracy to soak the policyholders > > with double digit rate increases, deny claims, and deceive regulators. > > No....there isn't an honest one company among them, one who would seek to > > expand business by offering benefits at a price that lower than the others. > > Instead, they sit in the boardrooms, soaking up their double digit profit > > margins, and paying off the politicians. > > > Is this the scenario the public option would have corrected? > > > -Greg > > Nice picture you've painted here, but it doesn't reflect my views. > There is very little competition in the health insurance industry. If > there were, they would have billion-dollar ad campaigns like the car > insurers do. They wouldn't be able to impose usurious premium > increases while raking in huge profits, as many of them are doing now. > A public option and a recission of insurance companies's anti-trust > exemption would do a lot to prevent this sort of thing. How though, is it beneficial for the govt to use tax money to discount health care prices? Why not just give people some sort of rebate?
From: William Clark on 25 Feb 2010 13:58 In article <0dfbd221-ac35-4e02-91b9-bdefbc96b9e4(a)g11g2000yqe.googlegroups.com>, Dinosaur_Sr <frostback2002(a)att.net> wrote: > On Feb 24, 12:04�pm, "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > On Feb 24, 11:45�am, "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > > > > >news:66a382e7-477b-4f03-8100-bc74cb52ae96(a)d27g2000yqf.googlegroups.com... > > > > > As I said, and you seem to have missed, I thought the original health > > > care bill with the public option represented a good solution. It would > > > have forced some competition into the health insurance industry, where > > > at present there is none, because the industry is expempt from anti- > > > trust laws. Repealing the exemption, as Obama has proposed, would be a > > > very positive step. But, like everything else, it will probably pass > > > the House then get filibustered to death in the Senate, where the > > > Republicans' pockets are bulging with insurance industry money. > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > So in your mind, there is no competition among health insurance > > > companies? > > > All are linked together in a massive conspiracy to soak the policyholders > > > with double digit rate increases, deny claims, and deceive regulators. > > > No....there isn't an honest one company among them, one who would seek to > > > expand business by offering benefits at a price that lower than the > > > others. > > > Instead, they sit in the boardrooms, soaking up their double digit profit > > > margins, and paying off the politicians. > > > > > Is this the scenario the public option would have corrected? > > > > > -Greg > > > > Nice picture you've painted here, but it doesn't reflect my views. > > There is very little competition in the health insurance industry. If > > there were, they would have billion-dollar ad campaigns like the car > > insurers do. They wouldn't be able to impose usurious premium > > increases while raking in huge profits, as many of them are doing now. > > A public option and a recission of insurance companies's anti-trust > > exemption would do a lot to prevent this sort of thing. > > How though, is it beneficial for the govt to use tax money to discount > health care prices? Why not just give people some sort of rebate? Why not just use the money to provide the health care directly, and not have some middle man skim the pot?
From: Dinosaur_Sr on 25 Feb 2010 14:01
On Feb 25, 1:58 pm, William Clark <cl...(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio- state.edu> wrote: > In article > <0dfbd221-ac35-4e02-91b9-bdefbc96b...(a)g11g2000yqe.googlegroups.com>, > > > > Dinosaur_Sr <frostback2...(a)att.net> wrote: > > On Feb 24, 12:04 pm, "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Feb 24, 11:45 am, "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: > > > > > "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > > > > >news:66a382e7-477b-4f03-8100-bc74cb52ae96(a)d27g2000yqf.googlegroups.com... > > > > > As I said, and you seem to have missed, I thought the original health > > > > care bill with the public option represented a good solution. It would > > > > have forced some competition into the health insurance industry, where > > > > at present there is none, because the industry is expempt from anti- > > > > trust laws. Repealing the exemption, as Obama has proposed, would be a > > > > very positive step. But, like everything else, it will probably pass > > > > the House then get filibustered to death in the Senate, where the > > > > Republicans' pockets are bulging with insurance industry money. > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > So in your mind, there is no competition among health insurance > > > > companies? > > > > All are linked together in a massive conspiracy to soak the policyholders > > > > with double digit rate increases, deny claims, and deceive regulators. > > > > No....there isn't an honest one company among them, one who would seek to > > > > expand business by offering benefits at a price that lower than the > > > > others. > > > > Instead, they sit in the boardrooms, soaking up their double digit profit > > > > margins, and paying off the politicians. > > > > > Is this the scenario the public option would have corrected? > > > > > -Greg > > > > Nice picture you've painted here, but it doesn't reflect my views. > > > There is very little competition in the health insurance industry. If > > > there were, they would have billion-dollar ad campaigns like the car > > > insurers do. They wouldn't be able to impose usurious premium > > > increases while raking in huge profits, as many of them are doing now.. > > > A public option and a recission of insurance companies's anti-trust > > > exemption would do a lot to prevent this sort of thing. > > > How though, is it beneficial for the govt to use tax money to discount > > health care prices? Why not just give people some sort of rebate? > > Why not just use the money to provide the health care directly, and not > have some middle man skim the pot? Exactly! You are developing some sense. You go to the doctor, you pay. You don't pay an insurance company to pay for you. You don't pay the govt to pay for you. All you need on top of that is some sort of catastrophic insurance. |