From: BAR on
In article <clark-E52FC8.17330925022010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio-
state.edu>, clark(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio-state.edu says...
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> In article <MPG.25f0c2002c29cf9e989c63(a)news.giganews.com>,
> BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote:
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> > In article <clark-B0A746.09511025022010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio-
> > state.edu>, clark(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio-state.edu says...
> > > > > > > > > Hint: if you don't make them, no one will embarrass you in
> > > > > > > > > public.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Like posting to USENET at the turn from your iPhone?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Like lying about the "proof" that Dino "provided" of his materials
> > > > > > > science "publications"?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > All I did was make reference to terms. You as usual assumed facts not
> > > > > > in
> > > > > > evidence.
> > > > >
> > > > > No, you claimed he had provided you with "proof", when he had not.
> > > > > Don't
> > > > > try to change the script after the fact.
> > > >
> > > > Billy, you are lying. I never said he had provided me with proof. Check
> > > > the record and show me the posting.
> > >
> > > Ah, back to the old "you find the cite" tactic. It had to come out
> > > sooner or later.
> >
> > You are too funny, I suppose you want me to pass judgment on myself and
> > escort myself to jail too.
> >
> > Your allegation, you provide the evidence.
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> No, you claimed he provided "proof", you back it up.

You've changed from he provided proof to me to he provided proof.
From: John B. on
On Feb 25, 5:12 pm, BAR <sc...(a)you.com> wrote:
> In article <d0af5a70-8176-4c4d-b74d-
> ee5f35a12...(a)o3g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>, johnb...(a)gmail.com says...
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> > On Feb 25, 12:42 am, assimil...(a)borg.org wrote:
> > > On 24-Feb-2010, Carbon <nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
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> > > > >>>> So why do people keep bring up cost, if that isn't the objection?
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> > > > >>> It is a red herring obviously.
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> > > > >> Oh, of course. How can efficiency possibly matter?
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> > > > > It does matter, but efficiency and gov't are opposites.
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> > > > Really? Are you sure you're not being biased?
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> > > BAR has related his gov't working experience, which matches my mother's:
> > > waste, fraud, abuse and dead-weight employees.
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> > > --
> > > bill-o
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> > It doesn't match my government experience at all. I saw no waste or
> > fraud. I saw some employees who didn't carry their weight, but I've
> > seen those in the private sector too.
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I most certainly do not. And it's altar, not alter.
From: John B. on
On Feb 25, 5:14 pm, BAR <sc...(a)you.com> wrote:
> In article <6418d41f-7cb5-4c29-a4d0-57c7334ec205
> @u9g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>, johnb...(a)gmail.com says...
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> > On Feb 25, 12:42 am, assimil...(a)borg.org wrote:
> > > On 24-Feb-2010, Carbon <nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
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> > > > >>> It does matter, but efficiency and gov't are opposites.
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> > > > >>Really? Are you sure you're not being biased?
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> > > > > I suppose it depends on whether the government is doing what I think
> > > > > it should be doing or what you think it should be doing.
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> > > > It is ridiculous to claim that government and efficiency are opposites.
> > > > It may often be true. It may even mostly be true. But it's not always
> > > > true. Is it?
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> > > If all you have is that, then you haven't got much.
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> > > --
> > > bill-o
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> > And what do you have, other than the anecdotal experience of your
> > mother?
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> I have my real life experience working in a Democrat and Republican
> administrations. Both were fraught with waste, fraud and abuse.
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Exactly what waste, fraud and abuse did you witness?
From: John B. on
On Feb 25, 5:17 pm, BAR <sc...(a)you.com> wrote:
> In article <e3ee612a-bb96-4e34-beec-
> f86b2e143...(a)k19g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>, johnb...(a)gmail.com says...
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> > The government is answerable to the people. Insurance companies are
> > answerable to their stockholders. Profit is their No. 1 motivation.
> > They profit by taking money from you,  giving as little of it as
> > possible to your doctor, and keeping the rest. Under the current
> > regime, they can raise their premiums however much they want and
> > whenever they want and if you can't afford the increase, well, too bad
> > for you. You can cancel your policy and try to get a better deal from
> > another company, but if you have a pre-existing condition, well, too
> > bad for you again. How can anybody defend this?
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> Where do you think pension funds are invested?

Some are invested in government securities, but your question is
irrelevant.
From: BAR on
In article <5cdc5d4f-6976-4bcd-9964-618c3e94c494
@f8g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>, johnb505(a)gmail.com says...
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> On Feb 25, 5:12�pm, BAR <sc...(a)you.com> wrote:
> > In article <d0af5a70-8176-4c4d-b74d-
> > ee5f35a12...(a)o3g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>, johnb...(a)gmail.com says...
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> > > On Feb 25, 12:42 am, assimil...(a)borg.org wrote:
> > > > On 24-Feb-2010, Carbon <nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
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> > > > > >>>> So why do people keep bring up cost, if that isn't the objection?
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> > > > > >>> It is a red herring obviously.
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> > > > > >> Oh, of course. How can efficiency possibly matter?
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> > > > > > It does matter, but efficiency and gov't are opposites.
> >
> > > > > Really? Are you sure you're not being biased?
> >
> > > > BAR has related his gov't working experience, which matches my mother's:
> > > > waste, fraud, abuse and dead-weight employees.
> >
> > > > --
> > > > bill-o
> >
> > > It doesn't match my government experience at all. I saw no waste or
> > > fraud. I saw some employees who didn't carry their weight, but I've
> > > seen those in the private sector too.
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> I most certainly do not. And it's altar, not alter.

See, I told you you pray at the altar of government!