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From: Carbon on 25 Feb 2010 19:18 On Thu, 25 Feb 2010 04:26:30 +0000, assimilate wrote: > On 24-Feb-2010, Carbon <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote: > >>>> Given a choice between being "forced" to pay $50, or having the >>>> freedom to choose between $75 and $80, which would you take? >>> >>> Money isn't the only issue, and I would rather pay the 70 or 80 >>> because the 50 from the govt will be for a cut rate service. How >>> much health care costs isn't a big issue to me. >> >> Maybe in the coming reforms they can have a special price list for >> suckers, to give them the illusion of choice that they have now. > > that would be the "public option" because it is definitely for > suckers. Bill has ESP.
From: Carbon on 25 Feb 2010 19:21 On Thu, 25 Feb 2010 05:44:23 +0000, assimilate wrote: > On 24-Feb-2010, Carbon <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote: >> >>>>> perhaps, but the unemployment of the young due to the cost of >>>>> hiring is a hard, verifyable fact. >>>> >>>> But much of your criticism centers on the alleged difficulty in >>>> firing people. It has nothing to do with universal healthcare. >>> >>> did you see only half my reasoning, the half that doesn't agree with >>> your ideology? >> >> You tried to support your argument with two unsubstantiated claims, one >> of which was completely irrelevant. What do you expect? > > sorry that reality gets in the way of your understanding, but it seems > to happen a lot in your case. You seem like a reasonable enough fellow, but you are often sloppy and lazy. Airy certainty is not the same thing as substantial argument.
From: Don Kirkman on 25 Feb 2010 19:25 On Thu, 25 Feb 2010 05:42:11 GMT, assimilate(a)borg.org wrote: >On 24-Feb-2010, Carbon <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote: >> >>>> So why do people keep bring up cost, if that isn't the objection? >> >>> It is a red herring obviously. >> >> Oh, of course. How can efficiency possibly matter? >> > It does matter, but efficiency and gov't are opposites. >> Really? Are you sure you're not being biased? >BAR has related his gov't working experience, which matches my mother's: >waste, fraud, abuse and dead-weight employees. Sure, just like at Citicorp and Google and United Artists--and the military. No human organization is exempt. The issue is how to detect them and either retrain, control, or get rid of them. They are a minority in every organization but the obvious trouble makers in society get the attention and thus become the stereotype that works so well in politics. -- Don Kirkman donsno2(a)charter.net
From: Howard Brazee on 25 Feb 2010 19:29 On Thu, 25 Feb 2010 06:11:11 -0800 (PST), "John B." <johnb505(a)gmail.com> wrote: >It doesn't match my government experience at all. I saw no waste or >fraud. I saw some employees who didn't carry their weight, but I've >seen those in the private sector too. Are private security guards more efficient than regular military in war zones? Who would you rather spend your money on in that case? -- "In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found, than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace to the legislature, and not to the executive department." - James Madison
From: John B. on 25 Feb 2010 20:00
On Feb 25, 6:05 pm, BAR <sc...(a)you.com> wrote: > In article <afc20bdd-1aff-4230-a85a- > bf27b0bf1...(a)t41g2000yqt.googlegroups.com>, johnb...(a)gmail.com says... > > > > > > > On Feb 25, 5:14 pm, BAR <sc...(a)you.com> wrote: > > > In article <6418d41f-7cb5-4c29-a4d0-57c7334ec205 > > > @u9g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>, johnb...(a)gmail.com says... > > > > > On Feb 25, 12:42 am, assimil...(a)borg.org wrote: > > > > > On 24-Feb-2010, Carbon <nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote: > > > > > > > >>> It does matter, but efficiency and gov't are opposites. > > > > > > > >>Really? Are you sure you're not being biased? > > > > > > > > I suppose it depends on whether the government is doing what I think > > > > > > > it should be doing or what you think it should be doing. > > > > > > > It is ridiculous to claim that government and efficiency are opposites. > > > > > > It may often be true. It may even mostly be true. But it's not always > > > > > > true. Is it? > > > > > > If all you have is that, then you haven't got much. > > > > > > -- > > > > > bill-o > > > > > And what do you have, other than the anecdotal experience of your > > > > mother? > > > > I have my real life experience working in a Democrat and Republican > > > administrations. Both were fraught with waste, fraud and abuse. > > > > How many people did you see get fired over your entire government > > > career?- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > Exactly what waste, fraud and abuse did you witness? > > There is a question on the table. You answer the question and then I'll > entertain your question. During my five years in government service, I saw no one get fired. During my 17 years of covering the fed. govt. as a journalist, I saw lots of govt. employees get fired or otherwise sanctioned. |