From: BAR on
In article <4b8c6809$0$30950$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>,
nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says...
>
> On Mon, 01 Mar 2010 17:09:19 -0700, Howard Brazee wrote:
> > On Mon, 1 Mar 2010 11:57:20 -0800 (PST), Dinosaur_Sr
> > <frostback2002(a)att.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Agreed, but it works both ways. If someone loses their job and needs
> >>> to buy a private insurance policy, insurance cos. shouldn't be
> >>> allowed to turn them down because of the state of their health.
> >>
> >> No problem. The question is, who is going to pay for it? The clear
> >> consensus in the US is that ordinary working people feel they pay too
> >> much to the govt, and they don't want to pay any more, in fact, they
> >> want to pay less.
> >
> > Who pays for it now?
> >
> > (We do).
>
> The ideologues seem to be ignoring this obvious fact with all their

Everyone should pay for the services they receive. If you don't pay you
should go to jail for stealing.

If someone walked into your house and grabbed your wife's jewelry and
your computer and other valuables so that they could eat would you call
the police? Would you just let them steal from you?


From: Carbon on
On Mon, 01 Mar 2010 18:37:36 +0000, assimilate wrote:
> On 1-Mar-2010, Carbon <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> They're now " pre-existing",  and since other insurance companies
>>>> won't cover those illnesses its  somewhat of a captive client base
>>>> for them.
>>>
>>> Right. If you have a pre-ex condition, you either pay the increase
>>> or you're s**t out of luck. It would be interesting to know what
>>> percentage of Americans - insured or uninsured - have what insurance
>>> companies call pre-existing conditions. I do. So do my wife and our
>>> two daughters.
>>
>> According to the resident free market market ideologues, your
>> situation problem is your fault due to choices you must have made in
>> your life. For example, getting a medical condition.
>
> you so don't understand, choices combine with the random nature of the
> world to produce consequences. You can't eliminate the luck of the
> draw, you can choose to deal with it, but many here would rather run
> to the nanny state.

You don't seem to have thought this "random nature of the world"
justification through very well. It would seem to permit every crime
ever conceived of by man. Not to mention that there is absolutely
nothing random about getting fucked by your health insurance provider.
From: bknight on
On Mon, 1 Mar 2010 20:26:02 -0500, BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote:

>In article <4b8c6809$0$30950$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>,
>nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says...
>>
>> On Mon, 01 Mar 2010 17:09:19 -0700, Howard Brazee wrote:
>> > On Mon, 1 Mar 2010 11:57:20 -0800 (PST), Dinosaur_Sr
>> > <frostback2002(a)att.net> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Agreed, but it works both ways. If someone loses their job and needs
>> >>> to buy a private insurance policy, insurance cos. shouldn't be
>> >>> allowed to turn them down because of the state of their health.
>> >>
>> >> No problem. The question is, who is going to pay for it? The clear
>> >> consensus in the US is that ordinary working people feel they pay too
>> >> much to the govt, and they don't want to pay any more, in fact, they
>> >> want to pay less.
>> >
>> > Who pays for it now?
>> >
>> > (We do).
>>
>> The ideologues seem to be ignoring this obvious fact with all their
>
>Everyone should pay for the services they receive. If you don't pay you
>should go to jail for stealing.
>
>If someone walked into your house and grabbed your wife's jewelry and
>your computer and other valuables so that they could eat would you call
>the police? Would you just let them steal from you?
>
Bert, you really need to do some studying on analogies. This one was
so far off it isn't even funny.....even for you.

BK
From: Jack Hollis on
On Mon, 1 Mar 2010 15:32:47 -0800 (PST), "John B."
<johnb505(a)gmail.com> wrote:

>> Which company wants to be the last health care insurance company in
>> California? If you are the last one you will effectively be nationalized
>> and you will be required to provide insurance for 12% of the US
>> population at whatever rates the government decides and also to provide
>> insurance for free to however many illegal aliens are in California at
>> the time.
>
>How many are there now? Two? In most insurance markets, there are only
>one or two carriers.

Totally inacurate. New York State has dozens of health insurance
providers.
From: BAR on
In article <lgqoo5plbuimmmsfl95n852l6kfcg2vik7(a)4ax.com>,
bknight(a)conramp.net says...
>
> On Mon, 1 Mar 2010 20:26:02 -0500, BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote:
>
> >In article <4b8c6809$0$30950$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>,
> >nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says...
> >>
> >> On Mon, 01 Mar 2010 17:09:19 -0700, Howard Brazee wrote:
> >> > On Mon, 1 Mar 2010 11:57:20 -0800 (PST), Dinosaur_Sr
> >> > <frostback2002(a)att.net> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>> Agreed, but it works both ways. If someone loses their job and needs
> >> >>> to buy a private insurance policy, insurance cos. shouldn't be
> >> >>> allowed to turn them down because of the state of their health.
> >> >>
> >> >> No problem. The question is, who is going to pay for it? The clear
> >> >> consensus in the US is that ordinary working people feel they pay too
> >> >> much to the govt, and they don't want to pay any more, in fact, they
> >> >> want to pay less.
> >> >
> >> > Who pays for it now?
> >> >
> >> > (We do).
> >>
> >> The ideologues seem to be ignoring this obvious fact with all their
> >
> >Everyone should pay for the services they receive. If you don't pay you
> >should go to jail for stealing.
> >
> >If someone walked into your house and grabbed your wife's jewelry and
> >your computer and other valuables so that they could eat would you call
> >the police? Would you just let them steal from you?
> >
> Bert, you really need to do some studying on analogies. This one was
> so far off it isn't even funny.....even for you.

Stealing is stealing. When you got to a place of business and you have
have no intention of paying for the services you receive you are
stealing.