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From: BAR on 1 Mar 2010 21:19 In article <26455639-3205-4bf7-a0f6-760e4098a190 @z35g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>, johnb505(a)gmail.com says... > > On Mar 1, 8:47�pm, BAR <sc...(a)you.com> wrote: > > In article <lgqoo5plbuimmmsfl95n852l6kfcg2v...(a)4ax.com>, > > bkni...(a)conramp.net says... > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 1 Mar 2010 20:26:02 -0500, BAR <sc...(a)you.com> wrote: > > > > > >In article <4b8c6809$0$30950$9a6e1...(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, > > > >nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says... > > > > > >> On Mon, 01 Mar 2010 17:09:19 -0700, Howard Brazee wrote: > > > >> > On Mon, 1 Mar 2010 11:57:20 -0800 (PST), Dinosaur_Sr > > > >> > <frostback2...(a)att.net> wrote: > > > > > >> >>> Agreed, but it works both ways. If someone loses their job and needs > > > >> >>> to buy a private insurance policy, insurance cos. shouldn't be > > > >> >>> allowed to turn them down because of the state of their health. > > > > > >> >> No problem. The question is, who is going to pay for it? The clear > > > >> >> consensus in the US is that ordinary working people feel they pay too > > > >> >> much to the govt, and they don't want to pay any more, in fact, they > > > >> >> want to pay less. > > > > > >> > Who pays for it now? > > > > > >> > (We do). > > > > > >> The ideologues seem to be ignoring this obvious fact with all their > > > > > >Everyone should pay for the services they receive. If you don't pay you > > > >should go to jail for stealing. > > > > > >If someone walked into your house and grabbed your wife's jewelry and > > > >your computer and other valuables so that they could eat would you call > > > >the police? Would you just let them steal from you? > > > > > Bert, you really need to do some studying on analogies. �This one was > > > so far off it isn't even funny.....even for you. > > > > Stealing is stealing. When you got to a place of business and you have > > have no intention of paying for the services you receive you are > > stealing. > > There's a difference between intent and ability. You refuse to accept > that anyone might be unable to pay for medical care. Main Entry: 1in�tent Pronunciation: \in-?tent\ Function: noun Etymology: Middle English entente, from Anglo-French, from Late Latin intentus, from Latin, act of stretching out, from intendere Date: 13th century 1 a : the act or fact of intending : purpose; especially : the design or purpose to commit a wrongful or criminal act <admitted wounding him with intent> b : the state of mind with which an act is done : volition 2 : a usually clearly formulated or planned intention : aim <the director's intent> 3 a : meaning, significance b : connotation 3 synonyms see intention Main Entry: abil�i�ty Pronunciation: \?-?bi-l?-te-\ Function: noun Inflected Form(s): plural abil�i�ties Etymology: Middle English abilite, from Anglo-French, from Latin habilitat-, habilitas, from habilis apt, skillful ? more at able Date: 14th century 1 a : the quality or state of being able <ability of the soil to hold water>; especially : physical, mental, or legal power to perform b : competence in doing : skill 2 : natural aptitude or acquired proficiency <children whose abilities warrant higher education> If you don't have the ability to pay then your intent is to steal.
From: Carbon on 1 Mar 2010 21:32 On Mon, 01 Mar 2010 21:14:42 -0500, BAR wrote: > In article <4b8c6e70$0$21448$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, > nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says... >> On Mon, 01 Mar 2010 20:26:02 -0500, BAR wrote: >>> In article <4b8c6809$0$30950$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, >>> nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says... >>>> On Mon, 01 Mar 2010 17:09:19 -0700, Howard Brazee wrote: >>>>> On Mon, 1 Mar 2010 11:57:20 -0800 (PST), Dinosaur_Sr >>>>> <frostback2002(a)att.net> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Agreed, but it works both ways. If someone loses their job and >>>>>>> needs to buy a private insurance policy, insurance cos. >>>>>>> shouldn't be allowed to turn them down because of the state of >>>>>>> their health. >>>>>> >>>>>> No problem. The question is, who is going to pay for it? The >>>>>> clear consensus in the US is that ordinary working people feel >>>>>> they pay too much to the govt, and they don't want to pay any >>>>>> more, in fact, they want to pay less. >>>>> >>>>> Who pays for it now? >>>>> >>>>> (We do). >>>> >>>> The ideologues seem to be ignoring this obvious fact with all their >>> >>> Everyone should pay for the services they receive. If you don't pay >>> you should go to jail for stealing. >>> >>> If someone walked into your house and grabbed your wife's jewelry >>> and your computer and other valuables so that they could eat would >>> you call the police? Would you just let them steal from you? >> >> Obviously everybody should pay their way. I have never once suggested >> otherwise. And once again, you're once again ignoring the fact that >> you're already paying for the uninsurance with of ridiculously >> expensive health insurance. > > Get people to pay when services are rendered and health insurance > becomes a non-issue. What do you suggest? Bouncers at the hospitals?
From: assimilate on 1 Mar 2010 21:51 On 1-Mar-2010, bknight(a)conramp.net wrote: > This post has nothing to do with anything but how insurance companies > would respond to those with pre-existing illnesses that leave > WellPoint/Anthem. That's not luck of the draw, it borders on > coercion. getting insurance after you get sick is not buying insurance, it is getting someone to pay for your illness. -- bill-o
From: bknight on 1 Mar 2010 22:20 On Mon, 1 Mar 2010 20:47:03 -0500, BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote: >In article <lgqoo5plbuimmmsfl95n852l6kfcg2vik7(a)4ax.com>, >bknight(a)conramp.net says... >> >> On Mon, 1 Mar 2010 20:26:02 -0500, BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote: >> > >> >If someone walked into your house and grabbed your wife's jewelry and >> >your computer and other valuables so that they could eat would you call >> >the police? Would you just let them steal from you? >> > >> Bert, you really need to do some studying on analogies. This one was >> so far off it isn't even funny.....even for you. > >Stealing is stealing. When you got to a place of business and you have >have no intention of paying for the services you receive you are >stealing. > > Your analogy was idiotic. Period. BK
From: bknight on 1 Mar 2010 22:36
On Tue, 2 Mar 2010 02:51:15 GMT, assimilate(a)borg.org wrote: > >On 1-Mar-2010, bknight(a)conramp.net wrote: > >> This post has nothing to do with anything but how insurance companies >> would respond to those with pre-existing illnesses that leave >> WellPoint/Anthem. That's not luck of the draw, it borders on >> coercion. > >getting insurance after you get sick is not buying insurance, it is getting >someone to pay for your illness. A rare double Non Sequitur from you. Do you actually think that those who might not have the wherewithal to continue with WellPoint/Anthem want to make a change? They don't, but could be forced to do so. A family who is paying $500 a month, will now have to pay $700, or go without, if there are pre existing conditions. That's a pretty hefty increase. Its foolishness to even suggest that these people would be looking for someone to pay for their illnesses. BK |