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From: bknight on 2 Mar 2010 08:43 On Tue, 2 Mar 2010 08:11:56 -0500, BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote: >In article <hk1qo5lfli6teo6vljqjeecjvaka9j6vi0(a)4ax.com>, >bknight(a)conramp.net says... >> >> On Mon, 1 Mar 2010 22:54:58 -0800, "dene" <dene(a)remove.ipns.com> >> wrote: >> >> > >> ><bknight(a)conramp.net> wrote in message >> >news:jv0po5tpu9o8csea3brsi83lug8gumasiu(a)4ax.com... >> >> On Mon, 1 Mar 2010 20:47:03 -0500, BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >In article <lgqoo5plbuimmmsfl95n852l6kfcg2vik7(a)4ax.com>, >> >> >bknight(a)conramp.net says... >> >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, 1 Mar 2010 20:26:02 -0500, BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >If someone walked into your house and grabbed your wife's jewelry and >> >> >> >your computer and other valuables so that they could eat would you >> >call >> >> >> >the police? Would you just let them steal from you? >> >> >> > >> >> >> Bert, you really need to do some studying on analogies. This one was >> >> >> so far off it isn't even funny.....even for you. >> >> > >> >> >Stealing is stealing. When you got to a place of business and you have >> >> >have no intention of paying for the services you receive you are >> >> >stealing. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> Your analogy was idiotic. Period. >> >> >> >> BK >> > >> >Specify the idiocy, Bobby. Bert's analogy seems dead on. You know as well >> >as I do that there are plenty of unisured people out there who can afford >> >health insurance. They refuse to buy because it isn't a priority. When >> >they utilize services and don't pay for them, is this not stealing? >> > >> > >> >-Greg >> > >> I don't question that. Bert's analogy is personal theft, where there >> is but one victim that has to bear the full brunt. Hyperbole like >> this, to bolster an ideology, is idiotic. > >Group theft is ok? If I rob a room full of people then everything is ok. > You're an idiot, and not to be taken seriously. BK >
From: John B. on 2 Mar 2010 09:32 On Mar 1, 9:19 pm, BAR <sc...(a)you.com> wrote: > In article <26455639-3205-4bf7-a0f6-760e4098a190 > @z35g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>, johnb...(a)gmail.com says... > > > > > > > > > On Mar 1, 8:47 pm, BAR <sc...(a)you.com> wrote: > > > In article <lgqoo5plbuimmmsfl95n852l6kfcg2v...(a)4ax.com>, > > > bkni...(a)conramp.net says... > > > > > On Mon, 1 Mar 2010 20:26:02 -0500, BAR <sc...(a)you.com> wrote: > > > > > >In article <4b8c6809$0$30950$9a6e1...(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, > > > > >nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says... > > > > > >> On Mon, 01 Mar 2010 17:09:19 -0700, Howard Brazee wrote: > > > > >> > On Mon, 1 Mar 2010 11:57:20 -0800 (PST), Dinosaur_Sr > > > > >> > <frostback2...(a)att.net> wrote: > > > > > >> >>> Agreed, but it works both ways. If someone loses their job and needs > > > > >> >>> to buy a private insurance policy, insurance cos. shouldn't be > > > > >> >>> allowed to turn them down because of the state of their health. > > > > > >> >> No problem. The question is, who is going to pay for it? The clear > > > > >> >> consensus in the US is that ordinary working people feel they pay too > > > > >> >> much to the govt, and they don't want to pay any more, in fact, they > > > > >> >> want to pay less. > > > > > >> > Who pays for it now? > > > > > >> > (We do). > > > > > >> The ideologues seem to be ignoring this obvious fact with all their > > > > > >Everyone should pay for the services they receive. If you don't pay you > > > > >should go to jail for stealing. > > > > > >If someone walked into your house and grabbed your wife's jewelry and > > > > >your computer and other valuables so that they could eat would you call > > > > >the police? Would you just let them steal from you? > > > > > Bert, you really need to do some studying on analogies. This one was > > > > so far off it isn't even funny.....even for you. > > > > Stealing is stealing. When you got to a place of business and you have > > > have no intention of paying for the services you receive you are > > > stealing. > > > There's a difference between intent and ability. You refuse to accept > > that anyone might be unable to pay for medical care. > > Main Entry: 1in tent > Pronunciation: \in-?tent\ > Function: noun > Etymology: Middle English entente, from Anglo-French, from Late Latin > intentus, from Latin, act of stretching out, from intendere > Date: 13th century > > 1 a : the act or fact of intending : purpose; especially : the design or > purpose to commit a wrongful or criminal act <admitted wounding him with > intent> b : the state of mind with which an act is done : volition > 2 : a usually clearly formulated or planned intention : aim <the > director's intent> > 3 a : meaning, significance b : connotation 3 > synonyms see intention > > Main Entry: abil i ty > Pronunciation: \?-?bi-l?-te-\ > Function: noun > Inflected Form(s): plural abil i ties > Etymology: Middle English abilite, from Anglo-French, from Latin > habilitat-, habilitas, from habilis apt, skillful ? more at able > Date: 14th century > > 1 a : the quality or state of being able <ability of the soil to hold > water>; especially : physical, mental, or legal power to perform b : > competence in doing : skill > 2 : natural aptitude or acquired proficiency <children whose abilities > warrant higher education> > > If you don't have the ability to pay then your intent is to steal.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - So, if you're one of the millions of people who list their jobs and their health insurance in the recession and you, say, break your leg, going to the ER with no immediate ability to pay for treatment is stealing?
From: John B. on 2 Mar 2010 09:36 On Mar 1, 9:51 pm, assimil...(a)borg.org wrote: > On 1-Mar-2010, bkni...(a)conramp.net wrote: > > > This post has nothing to do with anything but how insurance companies > > would respond to those with pre-existing illnesses that leave > > WellPoint/Anthem. That's not luck of the draw, it borders on > > coercion. > > getting insurance after you get sick is not buying insurance, it is getting > someone to pay for your illness. > > -- > bill-o This is not about people waiting until they get sick to buy insurance. It's about people who can't afford it. It's about people who lose their jobs and their employer-provided health care and can't get private insurance because it's too expensive and/or they have pre- existing conditions. It's about young people who get thrown off their parents' insurance policies because they're over the cut-off age and can't buy private insurance. Stop trying to make this sound like a simple question of "personal responsibility."
From: John B. on 2 Mar 2010 09:38 On Mar 2, 1:47 am, "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: > "Carbon" <nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message > > news:4b8c6a22$0$5085$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com... > > > > > > > On Mon, 01 Mar 2010 18:37:36 +0000, assimilate wrote: > > > On 1-Mar-2010, Carbon <nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote: > > > >>>> They're now " pre-existing", and since other insurance companies > > >>>> won't cover those illnesses its somewhat of a captive client base > > >>>> for them. > > > >>> Right. If you have a pre-ex condition, you either pay the increase > > >>> or you're s**t out of luck. It would be interesting to know what > > >>> percentage of Americans - insured or uninsured - have what insurance > > >>> companies call pre-existing conditions. I do. So do my wife and our > > >>> two daughters. > > > >> According to the resident free market market ideologues, your > > >> situation problem is your fault due to choices you must have made in > > >> your life. For example, getting a medical condition. > > > > you so don't understand, choices combine with the random nature of the > > > world to produce consequences. You can't eliminate the luck of the > > > draw, you can choose to deal with it, but many here would rather run > > > to the nanny state. > > > You don't seem to have thought this "random nature of the world" > > justification through very well. It would seem to permit every crime > > ever conceived of by man. Not to mention that there is absolutely > > nothing random about getting fucked by your health insurance provider. > > Ever occured to you that there are key portions of the Senate and House bill > that are screwing the health insurance companies? > > But what does that matter. It's not your money, is it? > > -Greg- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Aw, poor health insurance companies. I feel terrible for them.
From: John B. on 2 Mar 2010 09:39
On Mar 2, 1:54 am, "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: > <bkni...(a)conramp.net> wrote in message > > news:jv0po5tpu9o8csea3brsi83lug8gumasiu(a)4ax.com... > > > > > > > On Mon, 1 Mar 2010 20:47:03 -0500, BAR <sc...(a)you.com> wrote: > > > >In article <lgqoo5plbuimmmsfl95n852l6kfcg2v...(a)4ax.com>, > > >bkni...(a)conramp.net says... > > > >> On Mon, 1 Mar 2010 20:26:02 -0500, BAR <sc...(a)you.com> wrote: > > > >> >If someone walked into your house and grabbed your wife's jewelry and > > >> >your computer and other valuables so that they could eat would you > call > > >> >the police? Would you just let them steal from you? > > > >> Bert, you really need to do some studying on analogies. This one was > > >> so far off it isn't even funny.....even for you. > > > >Stealing is stealing. When you got to a place of business and you have > > >have no intention of paying for the services you receive you are > > >stealing. > > > Your analogy was idiotic. Period. > > > BK > > Specify the idiocy, Bobby. Bert's analogy seems dead on. You know as well > as I do that there are plenty of unisured people out there who can afford > health insurance. They refuse to buy because it isn't a priority. When > they utilize services and don't pay for them, is this not stealing? > > -Greg- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - There are also plenty of people out there who CAN'T afford health insurance. But according to you and Bert, et al, they're all the victims of their own "bad choices," right? |