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From: John B. on 2 Mar 2010 09:41 On Mar 2, 7:36 am, BAR <sc...(a)you.com> wrote: > In article <446ae5dd-e058-41c8-ac72-a73bdcd69e02 > @k17g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>, johnb...(a)gmail.com says... > > > > > > > > > On Mar 1, 8:32 pm, Jack Hollis <xslee...(a)aol.com> wrote: > > > On Mon, 1 Mar 2010 15:32:47 -0800 (PST), "John B." > > > > <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> Which company wants to be the last health care insurance company in > > > >> California? If you are the last one you will effectively be nationalized > > > >> and you will be required to provide insurance for 12% of the US > > > >> population at whatever rates the government decides and also to provide > > > >> insurance for free to however many illegal aliens are in California at > > > >> the time. > > > > >How many are there now? Two? In most insurance markets, there are only > > > >one or two carriers. > > > > Totally inacurate. New York State has dozens of health insurance > > > providers. > > > I said "most" markets. Read this from the AMA: > > >http://www.ama-assn.org/ama/pub/news/news/health-insurance-competitio... > > The AMA does not represent a majority of the MDs within the USA. They > can be classified as a fringe group. Why are you quoting from a fringe > group?- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - There you go. Don't like the message? Malign the source. The AMA is one of the most powerful and well-heeled lobbying organizations in the US.
From: dene on 2 Mar 2010 12:03 "John B." <johnb505(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:e8a28a27-e90e-4b1b-adfb-0daa4c07c294(a)x22g2000yqx.googlegroups.com... On Mar 1, 9:51 pm, assimil...(a)borg.org wrote: > On 1-Mar-2010, bkni...(a)conramp.net wrote: > > > This post has nothing to do with anything but how insurance companies > > would respond to those with pre-existing illnesses that leave > > WellPoint/Anthem. That's not luck of the draw, it borders on > > coercion. > > getting insurance after you get sick is not buying insurance, it is getting > someone to pay for your illness. > > -- > bill-o This is not about people waiting until they get sick to buy insurance. It's about people who can't afford it. It's about people who lose their jobs and their employer-provided health care and can't get private insurance because it's too expensive and/or they have pre- existing conditions. It's about young people who get thrown off their parents' insurance policies because they're over the cut-off age and can't buy private insurance. Stop trying to make this sound like a simple question of "personal responsibility." ------------------------------------------------------------ The people you speak of, John, are in the minority. We've read your outrage over and over. But what of the millions who can afford health insurance and choose not to buy. What should be done with them? -Greg
From: dene on 2 Mar 2010 12:05 "John B." <johnb505(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:832ab3b9-3f3e-4d77-8744-a04857db0098(a)u9g2000yqb.googlegroups.com... On Mar 2, 1:47 am, "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: > "Carbon" <nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message > > news:4b8c6a22$0$5085$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com... > > > > > > > On Mon, 01 Mar 2010 18:37:36 +0000, assimilate wrote: > > > On 1-Mar-2010, Carbon <nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote: > > > >>>> They're now " pre-existing", and since other insurance companies > > >>>> won't cover those illnesses its somewhat of a captive client base > > >>>> for them. > > > >>> Right. If you have a pre-ex condition, you either pay the increase > > >>> or you're s**t out of luck. It would be interesting to know what > > >>> percentage of Americans - insured or uninsured - have what insurance > > >>> companies call pre-existing conditions. I do. So do my wife and our > > >>> two daughters. > > > >> According to the resident free market market ideologues, your > > >> situation problem is your fault due to choices you must have made in > > >> your life. For example, getting a medical condition. > > > > you so don't understand, choices combine with the random nature of the > > > world to produce consequences. You can't eliminate the luck of the > > > draw, you can choose to deal with it, but many here would rather run > > > to the nanny state. > > > You don't seem to have thought this "random nature of the world" > > justification through very well. It would seem to permit every crime > > ever conceived of by man. Not to mention that there is absolutely > > nothing random about getting fucked by your health insurance provider. > > Ever occured to you that there are key portions of the Senate and House bill > that are screwing the health insurance companies? > > But what does that matter. It's not your money, is it? > > -Greg- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Aw, poor health insurance companies. I feel terrible for them. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Yeah....screw them and the millions of responsible, premium paying people they serve. Where did you acquire this sense of entitlement, John? -Greg
From: dene on 2 Mar 2010 12:09 "John B." <johnb505(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:79c7b04d-ccb3-498d-b866-c075b767699e(a)u9g2000yqb.googlegroups.com... On Mar 2, 1:54 am, "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: > <bkni...(a)conramp.net> wrote in message > > news:jv0po5tpu9o8csea3brsi83lug8gumasiu(a)4ax.com... > > > > > > > On Mon, 1 Mar 2010 20:47:03 -0500, BAR <sc...(a)you.com> wrote: > > > >In article <lgqoo5plbuimmmsfl95n852l6kfcg2v...(a)4ax.com>, > > >bkni...(a)conramp.net says... > > > >> On Mon, 1 Mar 2010 20:26:02 -0500, BAR <sc...(a)you.com> wrote: > > > >> >If someone walked into your house and grabbed your wife's jewelry and > > >> >your computer and other valuables so that they could eat would you > call > > >> >the police? Would you just let them steal from you? > > > >> Bert, you really need to do some studying on analogies. This one was > > >> so far off it isn't even funny.....even for you. > > > >Stealing is stealing. When you got to a place of business and you have > > >have no intention of paying for the services you receive you are > > >stealing. > > > Your analogy was idiotic. Period. > > > BK > > Specify the idiocy, Bobby. Bert's analogy seems dead on. You know as well > as I do that there are plenty of unisured people out there who can afford > health insurance. They refuse to buy because it isn't a priority. When > they utilize services and don't pay for them, is this not stealing? > > -Greg- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - There are also plenty of people out there who CAN'T afford health insurance. But according to you and Bert, et al, they're all the victims of their own "bad choices," right? -------------------------------------------------------------- Cite where I said that, John. I specifically defined those who are stealing. In your mind, is there any distinctions between a slacker, an illegal, and the unemployed or are all the ininsured "victims"? -Greg
From: dene on 2 Mar 2010 12:11
"William Clark" <clark(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio-state.edu> wrote in message news:clark-16613B.08164202032010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu... > In article <MPG.25f6381e38917097989c7b(a)news.giganews.com>, > BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote: > > > In article <lgqoo5plbuimmmsfl95n852l6kfcg2vik7(a)4ax.com>, > > bknight(a)conramp.net says... > > > > > > On Mon, 1 Mar 2010 20:26:02 -0500, BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote: > > > > > > >In article <4b8c6809$0$30950$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, > > > >nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says... > > > >> > > > >> On Mon, 01 Mar 2010 17:09:19 -0700, Howard Brazee wrote: > > > >> > On Mon, 1 Mar 2010 11:57:20 -0800 (PST), Dinosaur_Sr > > > >> > <frostback2002(a)att.net> wrote: > > > >> >> > > > >> >>> Agreed, but it works both ways. If someone loses their job and needs > > > >> >>> to buy a private insurance policy, insurance cos. shouldn't be > > > >> >>> allowed to turn them down because of the state of their health. > > > >> >> > > > >> >> No problem. The question is, who is going to pay for it? The clear > > > >> >> consensus in the US is that ordinary working people feel they pay too > > > >> >> much to the govt, and they don't want to pay any more, in fact, they > > > >> >> want to pay less. > > > >> > > > > >> > Who pays for it now? > > > >> > > > > >> > (We do). > > > >> > > > >> The ideologues seem to be ignoring this obvious fact with all their > > > > > > > >Everyone should pay for the services they receive. If you don't pay you > > > >should go to jail for stealing. > > > > > > > >If someone walked into your house and grabbed your wife's jewelry and > > > >your computer and other valuables so that they could eat would you call > > > >the police? Would you just let them steal from you? > > > > > > > Bert, you really need to do some studying on analogies. This one was > > > so far off it isn't even funny.....even for you. > > > > Stealing is stealing. When you got to a place of business and you have > > have no intention of paying for the services you receive you are > > stealing. > > Someone seriously injured in a road accident is not in a position to > make a choice about going to an emergency room or not. Your analogy is > simply absurd. Ever heard of car insurance, William? It's a choice each American makes. Perhaps you should find a better analogy. -Greg |