From: dene on 2 Mar 2010 12:13 "BAR" <screw(a)you.com> wrote in message news:MPG.25f6d94f36a401bf989c83(a)news.giganews.com... > In article <102qo5h74sb8umcl2el2glaljhpoep5gts(a)4ax.com>, > howard(a)brazee.net says... > > > > On Mon, 1 Mar 2010 20:26:02 -0500, BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote: > > > > >Everyone should pay for the services they receive. If you don't pay you > > >should go to jail for stealing. > > > > > >If someone walked into your house and grabbed your wife's jewelry and > > >your computer and other valuables so that they could eat would you call > > >the police? Would you just let them steal from you? > > > > So is your idea of Health Reform to turn people away at hospitals and > > ambulances until they show proof of insurance? > > They should be billed for the services that the receive. And, if they > fail to pay for the services they should be sued. If if is found that > they had the means to pay but withheld that information then they should > be tried in criminal court, convicted and sent to jail. > > Stealing is stealing regardless of the reason. Absolutely agree, especially those who have the means to pay but were too irresponsible to buy health insurance. The same is applicable for those who refuse to buy auto insurance. -Greg
From: dene on 2 Mar 2010 12:14 "William Clark" <clark(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio-state.edu> wrote in message news:clark-18CE86.08141102032010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu... > In article <MPG.25f63338427466c1989c7a(a)news.giganews.com>, > BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote: > > > In article <4b8c6809$0$30950$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, > > nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says... > > > > > > On Mon, 01 Mar 2010 17:09:19 -0700, Howard Brazee wrote: > > > > On Mon, 1 Mar 2010 11:57:20 -0800 (PST), Dinosaur_Sr > > > > <frostback2002(a)att.net> wrote: > > > >> > > > >>> Agreed, but it works both ways. If someone loses their job and needs > > > >>> to buy a private insurance policy, insurance cos. shouldn't be > > > >>> allowed to turn them down because of the state of their health. > > > >> > > > >> No problem. The question is, who is going to pay for it? The clear > > > >> consensus in the US is that ordinary working people feel they pay too > > > >> much to the govt, and they don't want to pay any more, in fact, they > > > >> want to pay less. > > > > > > > > Who pays for it now? > > > > > > > > (We do). > > > > > > The ideologues seem to be ignoring this obvious fact with all their > > > > Everyone should pay for the services they receive. If you don't pay you > > should go to jail for stealing. > > > Better still, throw them back out onto the street to die. That would be > the mark of every civilized society. Nah. Follow Britain's example. Have them wait for months. -Greg
From: John B. on 2 Mar 2010 13:41 On Mar 2, 12:09 pm, "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: > "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > > news:79c7b04d-ccb3-498d-b866-c075b767699e(a)u9g2000yqb.googlegroups.com... > On Mar 2, 1:54 am, "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: > > > > > > > <bkni...(a)conramp.net> wrote in message > > >news:jv0po5tpu9o8csea3brsi83lug8gumasiu(a)4ax.com... > > > > On Mon, 1 Mar 2010 20:47:03 -0500, BAR <sc...(a)you.com> wrote: > > > > >In article <lgqoo5plbuimmmsfl95n852l6kfcg2v...(a)4ax.com>, > > > >bkni...(a)conramp.net says... > > > > >> On Mon, 1 Mar 2010 20:26:02 -0500, BAR <sc...(a)you.com> wrote: > > > > >> >If someone walked into your house and grabbed your wife's jewelry > and > > > >> >your computer and other valuables so that they could eat would you > > call > > > >> >the police? Would you just let them steal from you? > > > > >> Bert, you really need to do some studying on analogies. This one was > > > >> so far off it isn't even funny.....even for you. > > > > >Stealing is stealing. When you got to a place of business and you have > > > >have no intention of paying for the services you receive you are > > > >stealing. > > > > Your analogy was idiotic. Period. > > > > BK > > > Specify the idiocy, Bobby. Bert's analogy seems dead on. You know as well > > as I do that there are plenty of unisured people out there who can afford > > health insurance. They refuse to buy because it isn't a priority. When > > they utilize services and don't pay for them, is this not stealing? > > > -Greg- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > There are also plenty of people out there who CAN'T afford health > insurance. But according to you and Bert, et al, they're all the > victims of their own "bad choices," right? > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > Cite where I said that, John. I specifically defined those who are > stealing. In your mind, is there any distinctions between a slacker, an > illegal, and the unemployed or are all the ininsured "victims"? > > -Greg- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Of course there's a difference. But I don't know what the ratio is of "slackers" to people who genuinely can't afford health insurance and neither do you. There are those in your camp who claim there is NO ONE who can't afford health insurance. I wonder what world they live in.
From: John B. on 2 Mar 2010 13:42 On Mar 2, 12:14 pm, "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: > "William Clark" <cl...(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio-state.edu> wrote in message > > news:clark-18CE86.08141102032010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu... > > > > > > > In article <MPG.25f63338427466c1989...(a)news.giganews.com>, > > BAR <sc...(a)you.com> wrote: > > > > In article <4b8c6809$0$30950$9a6e1...(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, > > > nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says... > > > > > On Mon, 01 Mar 2010 17:09:19 -0700, Howard Brazee wrote: > > > > > On Mon, 1 Mar 2010 11:57:20 -0800 (PST), Dinosaur_Sr > > > > > <frostback2...(a)att.net> wrote: > > > > > >>> Agreed, but it works both ways. If someone loses their job and > needs > > > > >>> to buy a private insurance policy, insurance cos. shouldn't be > > > > >>> allowed to turn them down because of the state of their health. > > > > > >> No problem. The question is, who is going to pay for it? The clear > > > > >> consensus in the US is that ordinary working people feel they pay > too > > > > >> much to the govt, and they don't want to pay any more, in fact, > they > > > > >> want to pay less. > > > > > > Who pays for it now? > > > > > > (We do). > > > > > The ideologues seem to be ignoring this obvious fact with all their > > > > Everyone should pay for the services they receive. If you don't pay you > > > should go to jail for stealing. > > > Better still, throw them back out onto the street to die. That would be > > the mark of every civilized society. > > Nah. Follow Britain's example. Have them wait for months. > > -Greg- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - In the UK, you may wait for months for elective surgery. If you need urgent care, you get it right away.
From: Moderate on 2 Mar 2010 13:58
"John B." <johnb505(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:2a75a43d-ed86-4ff6-bb4a-eb741ca85688(a)a18g2000yqc.googlegroups.com... Of course there's a difference. But I don't know what the ratio is of "slackers" to people who genuinely can't afford health insurance and neither do you. There are those in your camp who claim there is NO ONE who can't afford health insurance. I wonder what world they live in. ***************************************************** We don't even know for certain many people are uninsured much less how many could afford insurance. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124579852347944191.html |