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From: William Clark on 2 Mar 2010 16:55 In article <7v4utkFhm2U1(a)mid.individual.net>, "dene" <dene(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: > "William Clark" <clark(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio-state.edu> wrote in message > news:clark-16613B.08164202032010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu... > > In article <MPG.25f6381e38917097989c7b(a)news.giganews.com>, > > BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote: > > > > > In article <lgqoo5plbuimmmsfl95n852l6kfcg2vik7(a)4ax.com>, > > > bknight(a)conramp.net says... > > > > > > > > On Mon, 1 Mar 2010 20:26:02 -0500, BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > >In article <4b8c6809$0$30950$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, > > > > >nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says... > > > > >> > > > > >> On Mon, 01 Mar 2010 17:09:19 -0700, Howard Brazee wrote: > > > > >> > On Mon, 1 Mar 2010 11:57:20 -0800 (PST), Dinosaur_Sr > > > > >> > <frostback2002(a)att.net> wrote: > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >>> Agreed, but it works both ways. If someone loses their job and > needs > > > > >> >>> to buy a private insurance policy, insurance cos. shouldn't be > > > > >> >>> allowed to turn them down because of the state of their health. > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> No problem. The question is, who is going to pay for it? The > clear > > > > >> >> consensus in the US is that ordinary working people feel they > pay too > > > > >> >> much to the govt, and they don't want to pay any more, in fact, > they > > > > >> >> want to pay less. > > > > >> > > > > > >> > Who pays for it now? > > > > >> > > > > > >> > (We do). > > > > >> > > > > >> The ideologues seem to be ignoring this obvious fact with all their > > > > > > > > > >Everyone should pay for the services they receive. If you don't pay > you > > > > >should go to jail for stealing. > > > > > > > > > >If someone walked into your house and grabbed your wife's jewelry and > > > > >your computer and other valuables so that they could eat would you > call > > > > >the police? Would you just let them steal from you? > > > > > > > > > Bert, you really need to do some studying on analogies. This one was > > > > so far off it isn't even funny.....even for you. > > > > > > Stealing is stealing. When you got to a place of business and you have > > > have no intention of paying for the services you receive you are > > > stealing. > > > > Someone seriously injured in a road accident is not in a position to > > make a choice about going to an emergency room or not. Your analogy is > > simply absurd. > > Ever heard of car insurance, William? It's a choice each American makes. > Perhaps you should find a better analogy. > > -Greg Do you know how much of your medical expenses car insurance will cover? Thank you. But, for the benefit of the hard of thinking, let's call it getting hit by falling masonry while walking in the street. There. Got it now?
From: William Clark on 2 Mar 2010 16:56 In article <dd45de17-0bcc-4fc5-a4ce-f279bddcc667(a)g10g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>, Dinosaur_Sr <frostback2002(a)att.net> wrote: > On Mar 2, 8:14�am, William Clark <cl...(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio- > state.edu> wrote: > > In article <MPG.25f63338427466c1989...(a)news.giganews.com>, > > > > > > > > �BAR <sc...(a)you.com> wrote: > > > In article <4b8c6809$0$30950$9a6e1...(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, > > > nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says... > > > > > > On Mon, 01 Mar 2010 17:09:19 -0700, Howard Brazee wrote: > > > > > On Mon, 1 Mar 2010 11:57:20 -0800 (PST), Dinosaur Sr > > > > > <frostback2...(a)att.net> wrote: > > > > > > >>> Agreed, but it works both ways. If someone loses their job and needs > > > > >>> to buy a private insurance policy, insurance cos. shouldn't be > > > > >>> allowed to turn them down because of the state of their health. > > > > > > >> No problem. The question is, who is going to pay for it? The clear > > > > >> consensus in the US is that ordinary working people feel they pay too > > > > >> much to the govt, and they don't want to pay any more, in fact, they > > > > >> want to pay less. > > > > > > > Who pays for it now? > > > > > > > (We do). > > > > > > The ideologues seem to be ignoring this obvious fact with all their > > > > > Everyone should pay for the services they receive. If you don't pay you > > > should go to jail for stealing. > > > > Better still, throw them back out onto the street to die. That would be > > the mark of every civilized society. > > > > > If someone walked into your house and grabbed your wife's jewelry and > > > your computer and other valuables so that they could eat would you call > > > the police? Would you just let them steal from you? > > > > Or if someone in your community expected you to provide tax dollars to > > fund their kids' schools, wouldn't that be terrible? > > You can pay then. Just let the local hospitals know, someone comes in > who cannot pay, and they can send the bill to you. Er, I already do pay. My taxes and health care premiums cover them. Next question.
From: dene on 2 Mar 2010 17:47 "William Clark" <clark(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio-state.edu> wrote in message news:clark-165BD7.16552402032010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu... > In article <7v4utkFhm2U1(a)mid.individual.net>, > "dene" <dene(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: > > > "William Clark" <clark(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio-state.edu> wrote in message > > news:clark-16613B.08164202032010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu... > > > In article <MPG.25f6381e38917097989c7b(a)news.giganews.com>, > > > BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote: > > > > > > > In article <lgqoo5plbuimmmsfl95n852l6kfcg2vik7(a)4ax.com>, > > > > bknight(a)conramp.net says... > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 1 Mar 2010 20:26:02 -0500, BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >In article <4b8c6809$0$30950$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, > > > > > >nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says... > > > > > >> > > > > > >> On Mon, 01 Mar 2010 17:09:19 -0700, Howard Brazee wrote: > > > > > >> > On Mon, 1 Mar 2010 11:57:20 -0800 (PST), Dinosaur_Sr > > > > > >> > <frostback2002(a)att.net> wrote: > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >>> Agreed, but it works both ways. If someone loses their job and > > needs > > > > > >> >>> to buy a private insurance policy, insurance cos. shouldn't be > > > > > >> >>> allowed to turn them down because of the state of their health. > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> No problem. The question is, who is going to pay for it? The > > clear > > > > > >> >> consensus in the US is that ordinary working people feel they > > pay too > > > > > >> >> much to the govt, and they don't want to pay any more, in fact, > > they > > > > > >> >> want to pay less. > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > Who pays for it now? > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > (We do). > > > > > >> > > > > > >> The ideologues seem to be ignoring this obvious fact with all their > > > > > > > > > > > >Everyone should pay for the services they receive. If you don't pay > > you > > > > > >should go to jail for stealing. > > > > > > > > > > > >If someone walked into your house and grabbed your wife's jewelry and > > > > > >your computer and other valuables so that they could eat would you > > call > > > > > >the police? Would you just let them steal from you? > > > > > > > > > > > Bert, you really need to do some studying on analogies. This one was > > > > > so far off it isn't even funny.....even for you. > > > > > > > > Stealing is stealing. When you got to a place of business and you have > > > > have no intention of paying for the services you receive you are > > > > stealing. > > > > > > Someone seriously injured in a road accident is not in a position to > > > make a choice about going to an emergency room or not. Your analogy is > > > simply absurd. > > > > Ever heard of car insurance, William? It's a choice each American makes. > > Perhaps you should find a better analogy. > > > > -Greg > > Do you know how much of your medical expenses car insurance will cover? > Thank you. But, for the benefit of the hard of thinking, let's call it > getting hit by falling masonry while walking in the street. > > There. Got it now? Fine. If there is no liability insurance to cover the accident first, then one's health insurance will take over. If you don't have it, get it. -Greg
From: Don Kirkman on 2 Mar 2010 18:01 On Mon, 1 Mar 2010 21:19:02 -0500, BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote: >If you don't have the ability to pay then your intent is to steal. It ain't stealing if there's a law authorizing it. Your argument should be with the government bodies throughout the US that have made it not only legal but mandatory that medical professionals must provide services for the needy. (And they've nearly always defined neediness at the same time.) -- Don Kirkman donsno2(a)charter.net
From: John B. on 2 Mar 2010 18:13
On Mar 2, 4:58 pm, "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: > "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > > news:35087246-7ff7-4ab6-8acc-e9f2affa0981(a)a18g2000yqc.googlegroups.com... > On Mar 2, 4:36 pm, "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: > > And I'm glad you're acknowledging that not all ununsured people are > slackers. People who can afford health insurance should have to buy > it. People who can't should be able to access the public option that > was in the original House bill and unfortunately came out. I suppose > I'm now going to hear from your cohorts who refuse to accept that > anyone can't afford health insurance. > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > So you believe in the individual mandate. That's progress. What if the > penalty for this mandate is only $750/yr. vs. $1800/yr. for health > insurance. What stops a person from paying the penalty, then buying health > insurance after they get sick or pregnant? Fair system?? > > -Greg How about a law? |