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From: BAR on 2 Mar 2010 21:32 In article <4b8db9c5$0$4880$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says... > > On Tue, 02 Mar 2010 19:52:07 -0500, BAR wrote: > > In article <de5qo558v2s0d5n5altsecqhq3251hgod4(a)4ax.com>, > > bknight(a)conramp.net says... > >>> > >>>> I don't question that. Bert's analogy is personal theft, where > >>>> there is but one victim that has to bear the full brunt. Hyperbole > >>>> like this, to bolster an ideology, is idiotic. > >>> > >>> Group theft is ok? If I rob a room full of people then everything is > >>> ok. > >> > >> You're an idiot, and not to be taken seriously. > > > > You are just upset that you pissed on the floor and I made you step in > > it. > > No you didn't. You made a ridiculous claim--one of many--and got called > on it. Yes I did. You make ridiculous claims all the time.
From: BAR on 2 Mar 2010 21:32 In article <4b8dbc77$0$4858$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says... > > On Tue, 02 Mar 2010 07:44:15 -0500, BAR wrote: > > In article <jv0po5tpu9o8csea3brsi83lug8gumasiu(a)4ax.com>, > > bknight(a)conramp.net says... > >> On Mon, 1 Mar 2010 20:47:03 -0500, BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote: > >>>In article <lgqoo5plbuimmmsfl95n852l6kfcg2vik7(a)4ax.com>, > >>>bknight(a)conramp.net says... > >>>> On Mon, 1 Mar 2010 20:26:02 -0500, BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> If someone walked into your house and grabbed your wife's jewelry > >>>>> and your computer and other valuables so that they could eat would > >>>>> you call the police? Would you just let them steal from you? > >>>> > >>>> Bert, you really need to do some studying on analogies. This one > >>>> was so far off it isn't even funny.....even for you. > >>> > >>> Stealing is stealing. When you got to a place of business and you > >>> have have no intention of paying for the services you receive you > >>> are stealing. > >> > >> Your analogy was idiotic. Period. > > > > People receiving free health care are stealing from others. > > You're insane. No, I pay my bills.
From: John B. on 2 Mar 2010 21:34 On Mar 2, 8:32 pm, Carbon <nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote: > On Tue, 02 Mar 2010 13:36:47 -0800, dene wrote: > > "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com>> wrote in message > > news:2a75a43d-ed86-4ff6-bb4a- > > eb741ca85...(a)a18g2000yqc.googlegroups.com... > >> On Mar 2, 12:09 pm, "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com>> wrote: > >>> "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com>> wrote in message > > >>>> There are also plenty of people out there who CAN'T afford health > >>>> insurance. But according to you and Bert, et al, they're all the > >>>> victims of their own "bad choices," right? > > >>> Cite where I said that, John. I specifically defined those who are > >>> stealing. In your mind, is there any distinctions between a slacker, > >>> an illegal, and the unemployed or are all the ininsured "victims"? > > >> Of course there's a difference. But I don't know what the ratio is of > >> "slackers" to people who genuinely can't afford health insurance and > >> neither do you. There are those in your camp who claim there is NO > >> ONE who can't afford health insurance. I wonder what world they live > >> in. > > > I'm glad you are acknowledging there are slackers out there. > > Now....just what do you propose should be done with them to include > > them among the insured pool? > > Of course there are slackers. But there are also millions of families > suffering because of the current system. Some just can't afford > insurance. Some lose their jobs and can't afford Cobra. Some face > skyrocketing premiums if they develop potentially expensive illnesses, > and some are simply dropped altogether. It goes on and on. People want > change, and I hope they get it. This is a travesty. Just for the fun of it, I filled out an on-line questionnaire to get some insurance quotes. Turns out I can get private insurance for my family for as little as $221/month. Just a couple of minor inconveniences, though: there's a $10,000 deductible and office visits are not covered. I got a list of 82 quotes, the most expensive being over $3,000/month. Even that had a deductible of $1750. And we have no significant health issues in our family. You're goddamn right it's a travesty. Insurance may be affordable, just as long as you don't want it to actually cover anything.
From: Carbon on 2 Mar 2010 21:49 On Tue, 02 Mar 2010 18:34:36 -0800, John B. wrote: > On Mar 2, 8:32 pm, Carbon <nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote: >> On Tue, 02 Mar 2010 13:36:47 -0800, dene wrote: >>> "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com>> wrote in message >>> news:2a75a43d-ed86-4ff6-bb4a- >>> eb741ca85...(a)a18g2000yqc.googlegroups.com... On Mar 2, 12:09 pm, >>> "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com>> wrote: >>>>> "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com>> wrote in message >>>>> >>>>>> There are also plenty of people out there who CAN'T afford health >>>>>> insurance. But according to you and Bert, et al, they're all the >>>>>> victims of their own "bad choices," right? >>>>> >>>>> Cite where I said that, John. I specifically defined those who are >>>>> stealing. In your mind, is there any distinctions between a >>>>> slacker, an illegal, and the unemployed or are all the ininsured >>>>> "victims"? >>>> >>>> Of course there's a difference. But I don't know what the ratio is >>>> of "slackers" to people who genuinely can't afford health insurance >>>> and neither do you. There are those in your camp who claim there is >>>> NO ONE who can't afford health insurance. I wonder what world they >>>> live in. >>> >>> I'm glad you are acknowledging there are slackers out there. >>> Now....just what do you propose should be done with them to include >>> them among the insured pool? >> >> Of course there are slackers. But there are also millions of families >> suffering because of the current system. Some just can't afford >> insurance. Some lose their jobs and can't afford Cobra. Some face >> skyrocketing premiums if they develop potentially expensive >> illnesses, and some are simply dropped altogether. It goes on and on. >> People want change, and I hope they get it. This is a travesty. > > Just for the fun of it, I filled out an on-line questionnaire to get > some insurance quotes. Turns out I can get private insurance for my > family for as little as $221/month. Just a couple of minor > inconveniences, though: there's a $10,000 deductible and office visits > are not covered. I got a list of 82 quotes, the most expensive being > over $3,000/month. Even that had a deductible of $1750. And we have no > significant health issues in our family. You're goddamn right it's a > travesty. Insurance may be affordable, just as long as you don't want > it to actually cover anything. A few years ago one of the ladies I worked with was trying to get insurance. Mid-50's, no history of illness, non-smoker, etc. Least expensive offer: $700/month. Take it or leave it, have a nice day.
From: Carbon on 2 Mar 2010 21:51
On Tue, 02 Mar 2010 21:32:53 -0500, BAR wrote: > In article <4b8dbc77$0$4858$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, > nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says... >> On Tue, 02 Mar 2010 07:44:15 -0500, BAR wrote: >>> In article <jv0po5tpu9o8csea3brsi83lug8gumasiu(a)4ax.com>, >>> bknight(a)conramp.net says... >>>> On Mon, 1 Mar 2010 20:47:03 -0500, BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote: >>>>> In article <lgqoo5plbuimmmsfl95n852l6kfcg2vik7(a)4ax.com>, >>>>> bknight(a)conramp.net says... >>>>>> On Mon, 1 Mar 2010 20:26:02 -0500, BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> If someone walked into your house and grabbed your wife's >>>>>>> jewelry and your computer and other valuables so that they could >>>>>>> eat would you call the police? Would you just let them steal >>>>>>> from you? >>>>>> >>>>>> Bert, you really need to do some studying on analogies. This one >>>>>> was so far off it isn't even funny.....even for you. >>>>> >>>>> Stealing is stealing. When you got to a place of business and you >>>>> have have no intention of paying for the services you receive you >>>>> are stealing. >>>> >>>> Your analogy was idiotic. Period. >>> >>> People receiving free health care are stealing from others. >> >> You're insane. > > No, I pay my bills. In addition to all the uninsured you insist on paying for. |