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"Carbon" <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
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> >>>
> >>> Ever occured to you that there are key portions of the Senate and
> >>> House bill that are screwing the health insurance companies?
> >>>
> >>> But what does that matter. It's not your money, is it?
> >>
> >> Aw, poor health insurance companies. I feel terrible for them.
> >
> > Yeah....screw them and the millions of responsible, premium paying
> > people they serve. Where did you acquire this sense of entitlement,
> > John?
>
> Greg, us responsible, premium paying people are the ones getting fucked.

Yes....by the irresponsible and illegal uninusred.

-Greg


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"John B." <johnb505(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Mar 2, 4:58 pm, "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote:
> "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:35087246-7ff7-4ab6-8acc-e9f2affa0981(a)a18g2000yqc.googlegroups.com...
> On Mar 2, 4:36 pm, "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote:
>
> And I'm glad you're acknowledging that not all ununsured people are
> slackers. People who can afford health insurance should have to buy
> it. People who can't should be able to access the public option that
> was in the original House bill and unfortunately came out. I suppose
> I'm now going to hear from your cohorts who refuse to accept that
> anyone can't afford health insurance.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
>
> So you believe in the individual mandate. That's progress. What if the
> penalty for this mandate is only $750/yr. vs. $1800/yr. for health
> insurance. What stops a person from paying the penalty, then buying health
> insurance after they get sick or pregnant? Fair system??
>
> -Greg

How about a law?

--------------------------------------------------------

Sounds good to me. I've been an advocate of common sense laws for the
longest time. My specifics is that the irresponsible uninsured are
penalized...heavily...with proceeds assisting those who legitimately cannot
afford health insurance. I also advocate the elimination of bankruptcy as a
means to escape medical bills. Hospitals and other medical providers should
have the power to implement lifelong liens on people's assets, present and
future, to acquire payment. Finally, there needs to be serious tort
reforms.

What say you?

-Greg


From: dene on

"John B." <johnb505(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Mar 2, 8:32 pm, Carbon <nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 02 Mar 2010 13:36:47 -0800, dene wrote:
> > "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com>> wrote in message
> > news:2a75a43d-ed86-4ff6-bb4a-
> > eb741ca85...(a)a18g2000yqc.googlegroups.com...
> >> On Mar 2, 12:09 pm, "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com>> wrote:
> >>> "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com>> wrote in message
>
> >>>> There are also plenty of people out there who CAN'T afford health
> >>>> insurance. But according to you and Bert, et al, they're all the
> >>>> victims of their own "bad choices," right?
>
> >>> Cite where I said that, John. I specifically defined those who are
> >>> stealing. In your mind, is there any distinctions between a slacker,
> >>> an illegal, and the unemployed or are all the ininsured "victims"?
>
> >> Of course there's a difference. But I don't know what the ratio is of
> >> "slackers" to people who genuinely can't afford health insurance and
> >> neither do you. There are those in your camp who claim there is NO
> >> ONE who can't afford health insurance. I wonder what world they live
> >> in.
>
> > I'm glad you are acknowledging there are slackers out there.
> > Now....just what do you propose should be done with them to include
> > them among the insured pool?
>
> Of course there are slackers. But there are also millions of families
> suffering because of the current system. Some just can't afford
> insurance. Some lose their jobs and can't afford Cobra. Some face
> skyrocketing premiums if they develop potentially expensive illnesses,
> and some are simply dropped altogether. It goes on and on. People want
> change, and I hope they get it. This is a travesty.

Just for the fun of it, I filled out an on-line questionnaire to get
some insurance quotes. Turns out I can get private insurance for my
family for as little as $221/month. Just a couple of minor
inconveniences, though: there's a $10,000 deductible and office visits
are not covered. I got a list of 82 quotes, the most expensive being
over $3,000/month. Even that had a deductible of $1750. And we have no
significant health issues in our family. You're goddamn right it's a
travesty. Insurance may be affordable, just as long as you don't want
it to actually cover anything.

----------------------------------------------------------------

Big wahhhh!

I'm paying over $700/mo. to cover my family with a $3000 deductible plan.
$3000 is a drop in the bucket compared to the hospital bill.

Your sense of entitlement is shining through again, John. By chance, do you
work for the government?

-Greg


From: dene on

"Carbon" <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 02 Mar 2010 21:32:53 -0500, BAR wrote:
> > In article <4b8dbc77$0$4858$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>,
> > nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says...
> >> On Tue, 02 Mar 2010 07:44:15 -0500, BAR wrote:
> >>> In article <jv0po5tpu9o8csea3brsi83lug8gumasiu(a)4ax.com>,
> >>> bknight(a)conramp.net says...
> >>>> On Mon, 1 Mar 2010 20:47:03 -0500, BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote:
> >>>>> In article <lgqoo5plbuimmmsfl95n852l6kfcg2vik7(a)4ax.com>,
> >>>>> bknight(a)conramp.net says...
> >>>>>> On Mon, 1 Mar 2010 20:26:02 -0500, BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> If someone walked into your house and grabbed your wife's
> >>>>>>> jewelry and your computer and other valuables so that they could
> >>>>>>> eat would you call the police? Would you just let them steal
> >>>>>>> from you?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Bert, you really need to do some studying on analogies. This one
> >>>>>> was so far off it isn't even funny.....even for you.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Stealing is stealing. When you got to a place of business and you
> >>>>> have have no intention of paying for the services you receive you
> >>>>> are stealing.
> >>>>
> >>>> Your analogy was idiotic. Period.
> >>>
> >>> People receiving free health care are stealing from others.
> >>
> >> You're insane.
> >
> > No, I pay my bills.
>
> In addition to all the uninsured you insist on paying for.

Bert, you, and I pay for many smelly people. Aside from single payor, what
are your ideas to force slackers to join the pool of the insured?

-Greg


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"Carbon" <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 02 Mar 2010 10:42:13 -0800, John B. wrote:
>
> > In the UK, you may wait for months for elective surgery. If you need
> > urgent care, you get it right away.
>
> Same with Canada.

Nice system. A person is in pain, needing a hip or knee replacement, waits
months for the surgery. In the meantime, just sock them full of vicodin and
watch tv..

I may pay more but it's worth it.

-Greg