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From: dene on 2 Mar 2010 23:56 <bknight(a)conramp.net> wrote in message news:vckro55ujverpfu4mf9lgf9klr8nc9r687(a)4ax.com... > On Tue, 02 Mar 2010 20:40:50 -0500, Jack Hollis <xsleeper(a)aol.com> > wrote: > > >On Mon, 1 Mar 2010 22:58:40 -0800, "dene" <dene(a)remove.ipns.com> > >wrote: > > > >>"Jack Hollis" <xsleeper(a)aol.com> wrote in message > >>news:n3poo5tf84cgrq3thqfv8si7uj2nvlvnbd(a)4ax.com... > >>> On Mon, 1 Mar 2010 14:18:19 -0800, "dene" <dene(a)remove.ipns.com> > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>> >It's a knee jerk reaction to the "guaranteed issue" element of Senate and > >>> >House Bill. Insurance companies are not a charity. They have statutary > >>> >reserves to protect. I'm worried that Anthem's measure is a prelude of > >>> >what's coming. > >>> > >>> The companies know that guaranteed issue will mainly effect the > >>> individual market. The smart companies will get out of the market > >>> entirely. > >> > >>And they will..... > > > >Businessmen are smarter than politicians. > > George Bush was a businessman. > > QED > > BK And the Democrats lost to him....twice. -Greg
From: Carbon on 2 Mar 2010 23:54 On Tue, 02 Mar 2010 20:56:03 -0800, dene wrote: > <bknight(a)conramp.net> wrote in message > news:vckro55ujverpfu4mf9lgf9klr8nc9r687(a)4ax.com... >> On Tue, 02 Mar 2010 20:40:50 -0500, Jack Hollis <xsleeper(a)aol.com> >> wrote: >>> On Mon, 1 Mar 2010 22:58:40 -0800, "dene" <dene(a)remove.ipns.com> >>> wrote: >>>> "Jack Hollis" <xsleeper(a)aol.com> wrote in message >>>> news:n3poo5tf84cgrq3thqfv8si7uj2nvlvnbd(a)4ax.com... >>>>> On Mon, 1 Mar 2010 14:18:19 -0800, "dene" <dene(a)remove.ipns.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> It's a knee jerk reaction to the "guaranteed issue" element of >>>>>> Senate and House Bill. Insurance companies are not a charity. >>>>>> They have statutary reserves to protect. I'm worried that >>>>>> Anthem's measure is a prelude of what's coming. >>>>> >>>>> The companies know that guaranteed issue will mainly effect the >>>>> individual market. The smart companies will get out of the market >>>>> entirely. >>>> >>>> And they will..... >>> >>> Businessmen are smarter than politicians. >> >> George Bush was a businessman. >> >> QED > > And the Democrats lost to him....twice. It's disturbing that both elections were close enough to steal.
From: Carbon on 3 Mar 2010 00:02 On Tue, 02 Mar 2010 20:50:30 -0800, dene wrote: > "John B." <johnb505(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > news:711d6763-3971-41b3- > b79b-1636697472bb(a)g26g2000yqn.googlegroups.com... >> On Mar 2, 8:32 pm, Carbon <nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote: >>> On Tue, 02 Mar 2010 13:36:47 -0800, dene wrote: >>>> "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com>> wrote in message >>>> news:2a75a43d-ed86-4ff6-bb4a- >>>> eb741ca85...(a)a18g2000yqc.googlegroups.com... >>>>> On Mar 2, 12:09 pm, "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com>> wrote: >>>>>> "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com>> wrote in message >>>>>> >>>>>>> There are also plenty of people out there who CAN'T afford >>>>>>> health insurance. But according to you and Bert, et al, they're >>>>>>> all the victims of their own "bad choices," right? >>>>>> >>>>>> Cite where I said that, John. I specifically defined those who >>>>>> are stealing. In your mind, is there any distinctions between a >>>>>> slacker, an illegal, and the unemployed or are all the ininsured >>>>>> "victims"? >>>>> >>>>> Of course there's a difference. But I don't know what the ratio is >>>>> of "slackers" to people who genuinely can't afford health >>>>> insurance and neither do you. There are those in your camp who >>>>> claim there is NO ONE who can't afford health insurance. I wonder >>>>> what world they live in. >>>> >>>> I'm glad you are acknowledging there are slackers out there. >>>> Now....just what do you propose should be done with them to include >>>> them among the insured pool? >>> >>> Of course there are slackers. But there are also millions of >>> families suffering because of the current system. Some just can't >>> afford insurance. Some lose their jobs and can't afford Cobra. Some >>> face skyrocketing premiums if they develop potentially expensive >>> illnesses, and some are simply dropped altogether. It goes on and >>> on. People want change, and I hope they get it. This is a travesty. >> >> Just for the fun of it, I filled out an on-line questionnaire to get >> some insurance quotes. Turns out I can get private insurance for my >> family for as little as $221/month. Just a couple of minor >> inconveniences, though: there's a $10,000 deductible and office >> visits are not covered. I got a list of 82 quotes, the most expensive >> being over $3,000/month. Even that had a deductible of $1750. And we >> have no significant health issues in our family. You're goddamn right >> it's a travesty. Insurance may be affordable, just as long as you >> don't want it to actually cover anything. > > Big wahhhh! > > I'm paying over $700/mo. to cover my family with a $3000 deductible > plan. $3000 is a drop in the bucket compared to the hospital bill. > > Your sense of entitlement is shining through again, John. By chance, > do you work for the government? Once again, have you ever given any thought to what you're getting with these exhorbitant premiums? Mostly you're just paying for deadbeats who can't or won't get insurance. Doesn't it bother you? Wouldn't you rather pay less?
From: Carbon on 3 Mar 2010 00:04 On Tue, 02 Mar 2010 20:52:15 -0800, dene wrote: > "Carbon" <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message > news:4b8dceb3$0$4874$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com... >> On Tue, 02 Mar 2010 21:32:53 -0500, BAR wrote: >>> In article <4b8dbc77$0$4858$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, >>> nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says... >>>> On Tue, 02 Mar 2010 07:44:15 -0500, BAR wrote: >>>>> In article <jv0po5tpu9o8csea3brsi83lug8gumasiu(a)4ax.com>, >>>>> bknight(a)conramp.net says... >>>>>> On Mon, 1 Mar 2010 20:47:03 -0500, BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote: >>>>>>> In article <lgqoo5plbuimmmsfl95n852l6kfcg2vik7(a)4ax.com>, >>>>>>> bknight(a)conramp.net says... >>>>>>>> On Mon, 1 Mar 2010 20:26:02 -0500, BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> If someone walked into your house and grabbed your wife's >>>>>>>>> jewelry and your computer and other valuables so that they >>>>>>>>> could eat would you call the police? Would you just let them >>>>>>>>> steal from you? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Bert, you really need to do some studying on analogies. This >>>>>>>> one was so far off it isn't even funny.....even for you. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Stealing is stealing. When you got to a place of business and you >>>>>>> have have no intention of paying for the services you receive you >>>>>>> are stealing. >>>>>> >>>>>> Your analogy was idiotic. Period. >>>>> >>>>> People receiving free health care are stealing from others. >>>> >>>> You're insane. >>> >>> No, I pay my bills. >> >> In addition to all the uninsured you insist on paying for. > > Bert, you, and I pay for many smelly people. Aside from single payor, > what are your ideas to force slackers to join the pool of the insured? Taxes. If the losers want to spend all their money on cigarettes and beer, fine. They're still paying for healthcare. The low tax at all costs fanatics have it wrong. Sales taxes will get the poor to pay their share.
From: Carbon on 3 Mar 2010 00:07
On Tue, 02 Mar 2010 20:55:08 -0800, dene wrote: > "Carbon" <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message > news:4b8dbd26$0$4858$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com... >> On Tue, 02 Mar 2010 10:42:13 -0800, John B. wrote: >> >>> In the UK, you may wait for months for elective surgery. If you need >>> urgent care, you get it right away. >> >> Same with Canada. > > Nice system. A person is in pain, needing a hip or knee replacement, > waits months for the surgery. In the meantime, just sock them full of > vicodin and watch tv.. > > I may pay more but it's worth it. It really isn't. Canada provides healthcare to all its citizens at 2/3 the cost of the US system. The system obviously works better, because your CIA world fact book says the average life expectancy in Canada is more than three years greater than in the US. Similar lifestyle and culture. Hmm, I wonder what could account for this amazing difference... |