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From: BAR on 3 Mar 2010 07:34 In article <s5kro5d9t2oeu7j1i21tr2nfe7ai8qjs0t(a)4ax.com>, bknight(a)conramp.net says... > > On Tue, 2 Mar 2010 19:49:57 -0500, BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote: > > >In article <c15qo558ie66bl573dplq6jv2p2p2nui3d(a)4ax.com>, > >bknight(a)conramp.net says... > > >> >You saw, in 2009, how the individual took control and banded together to > >> >form an organization that put the government on notice and had a > >> >dramatic effect on a major piece of legislation. > >> > >> Effect, maybe. An individual making a change. NO. > > > >You think too small. > > Maybe, but that's better than not thinking at all, at which you're > more than adept. Yet again, you ignore all of the individuals throughout history who have effected great change.
From: Howard Brazee on 3 Mar 2010 07:42 On Tue, 2 Mar 2010 09:11:26 -0800, "dene" <dene(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: >> Someone seriously injured in a road accident is not in a position to >> make a choice about going to an emergency room or not. Your analogy is >> simply absurd. > >Ever heard of car insurance, William? It's a choice each American makes. >Perhaps you should find a better analogy. Not everybody injured in car accidents is a driver. Should pedestrians have to have uninsured driver insurance? -- "In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found, than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace to the legislature, and not to the executive department." - James Madison
From: Howard Brazee on 3 Mar 2010 07:49 On Tue, 2 Mar 2010 08:17:37 -0500, BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote: >> >They have them now. Whenever I have gone to the emergency room I have >> >been asked about payment and insurance. They want to see my credit card >> >and my health insurance card. >> >> Good thing it wasn't your kid being taken from school while they were >> looking for you. >> >> Except if they don't get your card, they treat anyway. > >Howard, you need to drink another cup of coffee. I was speaking about >myself and what I experienced. And I was coming up with other experiences. They did not find my wife's insurance card when she had a very serious accident and treated her. Eventually they moved her to a Kaiser supported hospital, but not at first. She's alive today because of it. > >But, like a true liberal you had to build a strawman into your response >and put that strawman up as the general rule. No straw man. I believe that it doesn't make any sense to demand proof of ability to pay before treating critical emergencies. I also believe it doesn't make political sense to demand proof of ability to pay before treating lesser problems. This isn't because of liberalism or conservativism, it is just being practical. That doesn't mean that a conservative & honest solution isn't possible that deals with these realities. -- "In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found, than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace to the legislature, and not to the executive department." - James Madison
From: Howard Brazee on 3 Mar 2010 07:51 On Tue, 2 Mar 2010 08:14:46 -0500, BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote: >> So is your idea of Health Reform to turn people away at hospitals and >> ambulances until they show proof of insurance? > >They should be billed for the services that the receive. And, if they >fail to pay for the services they should be sued. If if is found that >they had the means to pay but withheld that information then they should >be tried in criminal court, convicted and sent to jail. Pretty expensive for the rest of us. You're willing to pay that much money on that principle. >Stealing is stealing regardless of the reason. No argument. It's worth remembering that Jesus argued against the Righteous on the side of being good - even to sinners. -- "In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found, than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace to the legislature, and not to the executive department." - James Madison
From: Howard Brazee on 3 Mar 2010 07:53
On Tue, 2 Mar 2010 11:17:16 -0800 (PST), Dinosaur_Sr <frostback2002(a)att.net> wrote: >> >No problem. The question is, who is going to pay for it? The clear >> >consensus in the US is that ordinary working people feel they pay too >> >much to the govt, and they don't want to pay any more, in fact, they >> >want to pay less. >> >> Who pays for it now? � >> >> (We do). > >True...but it is pretty clear we don't want to pay any more. Any more $ or any more time? Which is achievable? Which is inevitable? -- "In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found, than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace to the legislature, and not to the executive department." - James Madison |