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From: BAR on 3 Mar 2010 08:41 In article <clark-6883CE.08091703032010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio- state.edu>, clark(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio-state.edu says... > > > Do you know how much of your medical expenses car insurance will cover? > > > Thank you. But, for the benefit of the hard of thinking, let's call it > > > getting hit by falling masonry while walking in the street. > > > > > > There. Got it now? > > > > Fine. If there is no liability insurance to cover the accident first, then > > one's health insurance will take over. > > > > If you don't have it, get it. > > > > -Greg > > Provided you can afford it. > Provided they are willing to give up unnecessary luxuries.
From: John B. on 3 Mar 2010 09:37 On Mar 2, 11:50 pm, "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: > "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > > news:711d6763-3971-41b3-b79b-1636697472bb(a)g26g2000yqn.googlegroups.com... > On Mar 2, 8:32 pm, Carbon <nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Tue, 02 Mar 2010 13:36:47 -0800, dene wrote: > > > "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com>> wrote in message > > > news:2a75a43d-ed86-4ff6-bb4a- > > > eb741ca85...(a)a18g2000yqc.googlegroups.com... > > >> On Mar 2, 12:09 pm, "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com>> wrote: > > >>> "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com>> wrote in message > > > >>>> There are also plenty of people out there who CAN'T afford health > > >>>> insurance. But according to you and Bert, et al, they're all the > > >>>> victims of their own "bad choices," right? > > > >>> Cite where I said that, John. I specifically defined those who are > > >>> stealing. In your mind, is there any distinctions between a slacker, > > >>> an illegal, and the unemployed or are all the ininsured "victims"? > > > >> Of course there's a difference. But I don't know what the ratio is of > > >> "slackers" to people who genuinely can't afford health insurance and > > >> neither do you. There are those in your camp who claim there is NO > > >> ONE who can't afford health insurance. I wonder what world they live > > >> in. > > > > I'm glad you are acknowledging there are slackers out there. > > > Now....just what do you propose should be done with them to include > > > them among the insured pool? > > > Of course there are slackers. But there are also millions of families > > suffering because of the current system. Some just can't afford > > insurance. Some lose their jobs and can't afford Cobra. Some face > > skyrocketing premiums if they develop potentially expensive illnesses, > > and some are simply dropped altogether. It goes on and on. People want > > change, and I hope they get it. This is a travesty. > > Just for the fun of it, I filled out an on-line questionnaire to get > some insurance quotes. Turns out I can get private insurance for my > family for as little as $221/month. Just a couple of minor > inconveniences, though: there's a $10,000 deductible and office visits > are not covered. I got a list of 82 quotes, the most expensive being > over $3,000/month. Even that had a deductible of $1750. And we have no > significant health issues in our family. You're goddamn right it's a > travesty. Insurance may be affordable, just as long as you don't want > it to actually cover anything. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > Big wahhhh! > > I'm paying over $700/mo. to cover my family with a $3000 deductible plan. > $3000 is a drop in the bucket compared to the hospital bill. > > Your sense of entitlement is shining through again, John. By chance, do you > work for the government? > > -Greg- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - So what if you're paying $700/month? If you can do it, then everybody else can, too? Is this really your idea of an intelligent argument? I have no sense of entitlement. I don't feel that I'm "entitled" to anything. And, no, I don't work for the government (anymore).
From: John B. on 3 Mar 2010 09:40 On Mar 3, 12:07 am, Carbon <nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote: > On Tue, 02 Mar 2010 20:55:08 -0800, dene wrote: > > "Carbon" <nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message > >news:4b8dbd26$0$4858$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com... > >> On Tue, 02 Mar 2010 10:42:13 -0800, John B. wrote: > > >>> In the UK, you may wait for months for elective surgery. If you need > >>> urgent care, you get it right away. > > >> Same with Canada. > > > Nice system. A person is in pain, needing a hip or knee replacement, > > waits months for the surgery. In the meantime, just sock them full of > > vicodin and watch tv.. > > > I may pay more but it's worth it. > > It really isn't. Canada provides healthcare to all its citizens at 2/3 > the cost of the US system. The system obviously works better, because > your CIA world fact book says the average life expectancy in Canada is > more than three years greater than in the US. Similar lifestyle and > culture. Hmm, I wonder what could account for this amazing difference... They're not all murdering eachother with handguns. You can't get one in Canada.
From: John B. on 3 Mar 2010 09:42 On Mar 3, 6:47 am, BAR <sc...(a)you.com> wrote: > In article <a1a17393-fef1-4850-ab7a-082ca8b78a55 > @q23g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>, johnb...(a)gmail.com says... > > > > > > > > > On Mar 2, 4:58 pm, "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: > > > "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > > > >news:35087246-7ff7-4ab6-8acc-e9f2affa0981(a)a18g2000yqc.googlegroups.com.... > > > On Mar 2, 4:36 pm, "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: > > > > And I'm glad you're acknowledging that not all ununsured people are > > > slackers. People who can afford health insurance should have to buy > > > it. People who can't should be able to access the public option that > > > was in the original House bill and unfortunately came out. I suppose > > > I'm now going to hear from your cohorts who refuse to accept that > > > anyone can't afford health insurance. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > > > So you believe in the individual mandate. That's progress. What if the > > > penalty for this mandate is only $750/yr. vs. $1800/yr. for health > > > insurance. What stops a person from paying the penalty, then buying health > > > insurance after they get sick or pregnant? Fair system?? > > > > -Greg > > > How about a law? > > The law gives you the ability to impose fines or prosecute. The law as > we have seen throughout history does not change behavior.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - OK, let's thow out the criminal code and see what happens.
From: William Clark on 3 Mar 2010 09:53
In article <MPG.25f8312054bcd8d6989ca0(a)news.giganews.com>, BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote: > In article <clark-6883CE.08091703032010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio- > state.edu>, clark(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio-state.edu says... > > > > Do you know how much of your medical expenses car insurance will cover? > > > > Thank you. But, for the benefit of the hard of thinking, let's call it > > > > getting hit by falling masonry while walking in the street. > > > > > > > > There. Got it now? > > > > > > Fine. If there is no liability insurance to cover the accident first, > > > then > > > one's health insurance will take over. > > > > > > If you don't have it, get it. > > > > > > -Greg > > > > Provided you can afford it. > > > > Provided they are willing to give up unnecessary luxuries. Indeed, I go down to the east side of Columbus and work with single parent families whose homes are loaded with "unnecessary luxuries", like Ramen Noodles and such. You're a bigoted idiot. |