From: John B. on
On Mar 2, 11:47 pm, "dene" <d...(a)> wrote:
> "John B." <johnb...(a)> wrote in message
> news:a1a17393-fef1-4850-ab7a-082ca8b78a55(a)
> On Mar 2, 4:58 pm, "dene" <d...(a)> wrote:
> > "John B." <johnb...(a)> wrote in message
> >news:35087246-7ff7-4ab6-8acc-e9f2affa0981(a)
> > On Mar 2, 4:36 pm, "dene" <d...(a)> wrote:
> > And I'm glad you're acknowledging that not all ununsured people are
> > slackers. People who can afford health insurance should have to buy
> > it. People who can't should be able to access the public option that
> > was in the original House bill and unfortunately came out. I suppose
> > I'm now going to hear from your cohorts who refuse to accept that
> > anyone can't afford health insurance.
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > So you believe in the individual mandate. That's progress. What if the
> > penalty for this mandate is only $750/yr. vs. $1800/yr. for health
> > insurance. What stops a person from paying the penalty, then buying health
> > insurance after they get sick or pregnant? Fair system??
> > -Greg
> How about a law?
> --------------------------------------------------------
> Sounds good to me.  I've been an advocate of common sense laws for the
> longest time.  My specifics is that the irresponsible uninsured are
> penalized...heavily...with proceeds assisting those who legitimately cannot
> afford health insurance.  I also advocate the elimination of bankruptcy as a
> means to escape medical bills.  Hospitals and other medical providers should
> have the power to implement lifelong liens on people's assets, present and
> future, to acquire payment.  Finally, there needs to be serious tort
> reforms.
> What say you?
> -Greg- Hide quoted text -
> - Show quoted text -

My brother-in-law is a med. malpractice attorney and I've heard
stories from him about frivolous and dishonest lawsuits against
doctors and hospitals. So I'm not averse to some measure of tort
reform. My sister-in-law is a CPA at a law firm that specializes in
personal bankruptcies and I've heard stories from her about people
being financially irresponsible and then declaring bankruptcy. But a
blanket elimination of any and all bankruptcy protection for people
who are brought to their knees by medical bills would be a cruel and
awful thing to do. All you and Bert and others here want to do is
punish people.
From: MNMikeW on

"Carbon" <nobrac(a)> wrote in message
> On Tue, 02 Mar 2010 07:44:15 -0500, BAR wrote:
>> In article <jv0po5tpu9o8csea3brsi83lug8gumasiu(a)>,
>> bknight(a) says...
>>> On Mon, 1 Mar 2010 20:47:03 -0500, BAR <screw(a)> wrote:
>>>>In article <lgqoo5plbuimmmsfl95n852l6kfcg2vik7(a)>,
>>>>bknight(a) says...
>>>>> On Mon, 1 Mar 2010 20:26:02 -0500, BAR <screw(a)> wrote:
>>>>>> If someone walked into your house and grabbed your wife's jewelry
>>>>>> and your computer and other valuables so that they could eat would
>>>>>> you call the police? Would you just let them steal from you?
>>>>> Bert, you really need to do some studying on analogies. This one
>>>>> was so far off it isn't even funny.....even for you.
>>>> Stealing is stealing. When you got to a place of business and you
>>>> have have no intention of paying for the services you receive you
>>>> are stealing.
>>> Your analogy was idiotic. Period.
>> People receiving free health care are stealing from others.
> You're insane.

Stealing might be a bit much. Benefiting for sure. Just like welfare.

From: MNMikeW on

"Carbon" <nobrac(a)> wrote in message
> On Tue, 02 Mar 2010 07:42:55 -0500, BAR wrote:
>> In article <561po5pcb1u5dh3n5umftu1nsiqti5fh07(a)>,
>> bknight(a) says...
>>> On Tue, 2 Mar 2010 02:51:15 GMT, assimilate(a) wrote:
>>>> On 1-Mar-2010, bknight(a) wrote:
>>>>> This post has nothing to do with anything but how insurance
>>>>> companies would respond to those with pre-existing illnesses that
>>>>> leave WellPoint/Anthem. That's not luck of the draw, it borders on
>>>>> coercion.
>>>> getting insurance after you get sick is not buying insurance, it is
>>>> getting someone to pay for your illness.
>>> A rare double Non Sequitur from you. Do you actually think that
>>> those who might not have the wherewithal to continue with
>>> WellPoint/Anthem want to make a change? They don't, but could be
>>> forced to do so. A family who is paying $500 a month, will now have
>>> to pay $700, or go without, if there are pre existing conditions.
>>> That's a pretty hefty increase.
>>> Its foolishness to even suggest that these people would be looking
>>> for someone to pay for their illnesses.
>> The individual has the power to change the system. However, as a lefty
>> you wouldn't understand that nor do you want that.
>> You saw, in 2009, how the individual took control and banded together
>> to form an organization that put the government on notice and had a
>> dramatic effect on a major piece of legislation.
> You mean this bunch of individuals?

Salon where you typically get your news Carbs?

From: MNMikeW on

"Carbon" <nobrac(a)> wrote in message
> On Tue, 02 Mar 2010 09:05:14 -0800, dene wrote:
>>> "John B." <johnb505(a)> wrote in message
>>> news:832ab3b9-3f3e-4d77-8744-
> a04857db0098(a)
>>> On Mar 2, 1:47 am, "dene" <d...(a)> wrote:
>>>> "Carbon" <nob...(a)> wrote in message
>>>> news:4b8c6a22$0$5085$9a6e19ea(a)
>>>>> On Mon, 01 Mar 2010 18:37:36 +0000, assimilate wrote:
>>>>>> On 1-Mar-2010, Carbon <nob...(a)> wrote:
>>>>>>> According to the resident free market market ideologues, your
>>>>>>> situation problem is your fault due to choices you must have made
>>>>>>> in your life. For example, getting a medical condition.
>>>>>> you so don't understand, choices combine with the random nature of
>>>>>> the world to produce consequences. You can't eliminate the luck of
>>>>>> the draw, you can choose to deal with it, but many here would
>>>>>> rather run to the nanny state.
>>>>> You don't seem to have thought this "random nature of the world"
>>>>> justification through very well. It would seem to permit every
>>>>> crime ever conceived of by man. Not to mention that there is
>>>>> absolutely nothing random about getting fucked by your health
>>>>> insurance provider.
>>>> Ever occured to you that there are key portions of the Senate and
>>>> House bill that are screwing the health insurance companies?
>>>> But what does that matter. It's not your money, is it?
>>> Aw, poor health insurance companies. I feel terrible for them.
>> Yeah....screw them and the millions of responsible, premium paying
>> people they serve. Where did you acquire this sense of entitlement,
>> John?
> Greg, us responsible, premium paying people are the ones getting fucked.

And you will continue to get fucked under Obamacare.

From: MNMikeW on

"Carbon" <nobrac(a)> wrote in message
> On Tue, 02 Mar 2010 20:42:10 -0800, dene wrote:
>> "Carbon" <nobrac(a)> wrote in message
>> news:4b8dc0a8$0$4874$9a6e19ea(a)
>>> Greg, us responsible, premium paying people are the ones getting
>>> fucked.
>> the irresponsible and illegal uninusred.
> Wouldn't it be nifty-keen if the deadbeats got hit with a sales tax
> every time they bought smokes and brewskis?

They already do.