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From: John B. on 3 Mar 2010 10:20 On Mar 2, 11:47 pm, "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: > "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > > news:a1a17393-fef1-4850-ab7a-082ca8b78a55(a)q23g2000yqd.googlegroups.com... > On Mar 2, 4:58 pm, "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: > > > > > > > "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > > >news:35087246-7ff7-4ab6-8acc-e9f2affa0981(a)a18g2000yqc.googlegroups.com.... > > On Mar 2, 4:36 pm, "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: > > > And I'm glad you're acknowledging that not all ununsured people are > > slackers. People who can afford health insurance should have to buy > > it. People who can't should be able to access the public option that > > was in the original House bill and unfortunately came out. I suppose > > I'm now going to hear from your cohorts who refuse to accept that > > anyone can't afford health insurance. > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > > So you believe in the individual mandate. That's progress. What if the > > penalty for this mandate is only $750/yr. vs. $1800/yr. for health > > insurance. What stops a person from paying the penalty, then buying health > > insurance after they get sick or pregnant? Fair system?? > > > -Greg > > How about a law? > > -------------------------------------------------------- > > Sounds good to me. I've been an advocate of common sense laws for the > longest time. My specifics is that the irresponsible uninsured are > penalized...heavily...with proceeds assisting those who legitimately cannot > afford health insurance. I also advocate the elimination of bankruptcy as a > means to escape medical bills. Hospitals and other medical providers should > have the power to implement lifelong liens on people's assets, present and > future, to acquire payment. Finally, there needs to be serious tort > reforms. > > What say you? > > -Greg- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - My brother-in-law is a med. malpractice attorney and I've heard stories from him about frivolous and dishonest lawsuits against doctors and hospitals. So I'm not averse to some measure of tort reform. My sister-in-law is a CPA at a law firm that specializes in personal bankruptcies and I've heard stories from her about people being financially irresponsible and then declaring bankruptcy. But a blanket elimination of any and all bankruptcy protection for people who are brought to their knees by medical bills would be a cruel and awful thing to do. All you and Bert and others here want to do is punish people.
From: MNMikeW on 3 Mar 2010 10:35 "Carbon" <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message news:4b8dbc77$0$4858$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com... > On Tue, 02 Mar 2010 07:44:15 -0500, BAR wrote: >> In article <jv0po5tpu9o8csea3brsi83lug8gumasiu(a)4ax.com>, >> bknight(a)conramp.net says... >>> On Mon, 1 Mar 2010 20:47:03 -0500, BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote: >>>>In article <lgqoo5plbuimmmsfl95n852l6kfcg2vik7(a)4ax.com>, >>>>bknight(a)conramp.net says... >>>>> On Mon, 1 Mar 2010 20:26:02 -0500, BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> If someone walked into your house and grabbed your wife's jewelry >>>>>> and your computer and other valuables so that they could eat would >>>>>> you call the police? Would you just let them steal from you? >>>>> >>>>> Bert, you really need to do some studying on analogies. This one >>>>> was so far off it isn't even funny.....even for you. >>>> >>>> Stealing is stealing. When you got to a place of business and you >>>> have have no intention of paying for the services you receive you >>>> are stealing. >>> >>> Your analogy was idiotic. Period. >> >> People receiving free health care are stealing from others. > > You're insane. Stealing might be a bit much. Benefiting for sure. Just like welfare.
From: MNMikeW on 3 Mar 2010 10:42 "Carbon" <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message news:4b8dbf35$0$4861$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com... > On Tue, 02 Mar 2010 07:42:55 -0500, BAR wrote: >> In article <561po5pcb1u5dh3n5umftu1nsiqti5fh07(a)4ax.com>, >> bknight(a)conramp.net says... >>> On Tue, 2 Mar 2010 02:51:15 GMT, assimilate(a)borg.org wrote: >>>> On 1-Mar-2010, bknight(a)conramp.net wrote: >>>> >>>>> This post has nothing to do with anything but how insurance >>>>> companies would respond to those with pre-existing illnesses that >>>>> leave WellPoint/Anthem. That's not luck of the draw, it borders on >>>>> coercion. >>>> >>>> getting insurance after you get sick is not buying insurance, it is >>>> getting someone to pay for your illness. >>> >>> A rare double Non Sequitur from you. Do you actually think that >>> those who might not have the wherewithal to continue with >>> WellPoint/Anthem want to make a change? They don't, but could be >>> forced to do so. A family who is paying $500 a month, will now have >>> to pay $700, or go without, if there are pre existing conditions. >>> That's a pretty hefty increase. >>> >>> Its foolishness to even suggest that these people would be looking >>> for someone to pay for their illnesses. >> >> The individual has the power to change the system. However, as a lefty >> you wouldn't understand that nor do you want that. >> >> You saw, in 2009, how the individual took control and banded together >> to form an organization that put the government on notice and had a >> dramatic effect on a major piece of legislation. > > You mean this bunch of individuals? http://goo.gl/3jU9 Salon where you typically get your news Carbs?
From: MNMikeW on 3 Mar 2010 10:42 "Carbon" <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message news:4b8dc0a8$0$4874$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com... > On Tue, 02 Mar 2010 09:05:14 -0800, dene wrote: >>> "John B." <johnb505(a)gmail.com> wrote in message >>> news:832ab3b9-3f3e-4d77-8744- > a04857db0098(a)u9g2000yqb.googlegroups.com... >>> On Mar 2, 1:47 am, "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: >>>> "Carbon" <nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message >>>> news:4b8c6a22$0$5085$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com... >>>>> On Mon, 01 Mar 2010 18:37:36 +0000, assimilate wrote: >>>>>> On 1-Mar-2010, Carbon <nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> According to the resident free market market ideologues, your >>>>>>> situation problem is your fault due to choices you must have made >>>>>>> in your life. For example, getting a medical condition. >>>>>> >>>>>> you so don't understand, choices combine with the random nature of >>>>>> the world to produce consequences. You can't eliminate the luck of >>>>>> the draw, you can choose to deal with it, but many here would >>>>>> rather run to the nanny state. >>>>> >>>>> You don't seem to have thought this "random nature of the world" >>>>> justification through very well. It would seem to permit every >>>>> crime ever conceived of by man. Not to mention that there is >>>>> absolutely nothing random about getting fucked by your health >>>>> insurance provider. >>>> >>>> Ever occured to you that there are key portions of the Senate and >>>> House bill that are screwing the health insurance companies? >>>> >>>> But what does that matter. It's not your money, is it? >>> >>> Aw, poor health insurance companies. I feel terrible for them. >> >> Yeah....screw them and the millions of responsible, premium paying >> people they serve. Where did you acquire this sense of entitlement, >> John? > > Greg, us responsible, premium paying people are the ones getting fucked. And you will continue to get fucked under Obamacare.
From: MNMikeW on 3 Mar 2010 10:43
"Carbon" <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message news:4b8deefe$0$4891$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com... > On Tue, 02 Mar 2010 20:42:10 -0800, dene wrote: >> "Carbon" <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message >> news:4b8dc0a8$0$4874$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com... >> >>> Greg, us responsible, premium paying people are the ones getting >>> fucked. >> >> Yes....by the irresponsible and illegal uninusred. > > Wouldn't it be nifty-keen if the deadbeats got hit with a sales tax > every time they bought smokes and brewskis? They already do. |