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From: dene on 3 Mar 2010 11:51 "Carbon" <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message news:4b8deefe$0$4891$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com... > On Tue, 02 Mar 2010 20:42:10 -0800, dene wrote: > > "Carbon" <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message > > news:4b8dc0a8$0$4874$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com... > > > >> Greg, us responsible, premium paying people are the ones getting > >> fucked. > > > > Yes....by the irresponsible and illegal uninusred. > > Wouldn't it be nifty-keen if the deadbeats got hit with a sales tax > every time they bought smokes and brewskis? For many, it's the only tax they pay. -Greg
From: dene on 3 Mar 2010 12:10 "John B." <johnb505(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:74399478-4dab-4123-b265-07495fd08433(a)f35g2000yqd.googlegroups.com... On Mar 2, 11:47 pm, "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: > "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > > news:a1a17393-fef1-4850-ab7a-082ca8b78a55(a)q23g2000yqd.googlegroups.com... > On Mar 2, 4:58 pm, "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: > > > > > > > "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > > >news:35087246-7ff7-4ab6-8acc-e9f2affa0981(a)a18g2000yqc.googlegroups.com... > > On Mar 2, 4:36 pm, "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: > > > And I'm glad you're acknowledging that not all ununsured people are > > slackers. People who can afford health insurance should have to buy > > it. People who can't should be able to access the public option that > > was in the original House bill and unfortunately came out. I suppose > > I'm now going to hear from your cohorts who refuse to accept that > > anyone can't afford health insurance. > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > > So you believe in the individual mandate. That's progress. What if the > > penalty for this mandate is only $750/yr. vs. $1800/yr. for health > > insurance. What stops a person from paying the penalty, then buying health > > insurance after they get sick or pregnant? Fair system?? > > > -Greg > > How about a law? > > -------------------------------------------------------- > > Sounds good to me. I've been an advocate of common sense laws for the > longest time. My specifics is that the irresponsible uninsured are > penalized...heavily...with proceeds assisting those who legitimately cannot > afford health insurance. I also advocate the elimination of bankruptcy as a > means to escape medical bills. Hospitals and other medical providers should > have the power to implement lifelong liens on people's assets, present and > future, to acquire payment. Finally, there needs to be serious tort > reforms. > > What say you? > > -Greg- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - My brother-in-law is a med. malpractice attorney and I've heard stories from him about frivolous and dishonest lawsuits against doctors and hospitals. So I'm not averse to some measure of tort reform. My sister-in-law is a CPA at a law firm that specializes in personal bankruptcies and I've heard stories from her about people being financially irresponsible and then declaring bankruptcy. But a blanket elimination of any and all bankruptcy protection for people who are brought to their knees by medical bills would be a cruel and awful thing to do. All you and Bert and others here want to do is punish people. --------------------------------------------------------- Glad to see your relatives live in the real world. Bankruptcy laws can be narrowed to prevent the abuse your sis-n-law describes. Again, I advocate a strong individual mandate. Is that punishment in your eyes or should the insurance companies be required to accept all applicants after one becomes sick? -Greg
From: dene on 3 Mar 2010 12:12 "Carbon" <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message news:4b8ded4c$0$4849$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com... > On Tue, 02 Mar 2010 20:50:30 -0800, dene wrote: > > "John B." <johnb505(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > > news:711d6763-3971-41b3- > > b79b-1636697472bb(a)g26g2000yqn.googlegroups.com... > >> On Mar 2, 8:32 pm, Carbon <nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote: > >>> On Tue, 02 Mar 2010 13:36:47 -0800, dene wrote: > >>>> "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com>> wrote in message > >>>> news:2a75a43d-ed86-4ff6-bb4a- > >>>> eb741ca85...(a)a18g2000yqc.googlegroups.com... > >>>>> On Mar 2, 12:09 pm, "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com>> wrote: > >>>>>> "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com>> wrote in message > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> There are also plenty of people out there who CAN'T afford > >>>>>>> health insurance. But according to you and Bert, et al, they're > >>>>>>> all the victims of their own "bad choices," right? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Cite where I said that, John. I specifically defined those who > >>>>>> are stealing. In your mind, is there any distinctions between a > >>>>>> slacker, an illegal, and the unemployed or are all the ininsured > >>>>>> "victims"? > >>>>> > >>>>> Of course there's a difference. But I don't know what the ratio is > >>>>> of "slackers" to people who genuinely can't afford health > >>>>> insurance and neither do you. There are those in your camp who > >>>>> claim there is NO ONE who can't afford health insurance. I wonder > >>>>> what world they live in. > >>>> > >>>> I'm glad you are acknowledging there are slackers out there. > >>>> Now....just what do you propose should be done with them to include > >>>> them among the insured pool? > >>> > >>> Of course there are slackers. But there are also millions of > >>> families suffering because of the current system. Some just can't > >>> afford insurance. Some lose their jobs and can't afford Cobra. Some > >>> face skyrocketing premiums if they develop potentially expensive > >>> illnesses, and some are simply dropped altogether. It goes on and > >>> on. People want change, and I hope they get it. This is a travesty. > >> > >> Just for the fun of it, I filled out an on-line questionnaire to get > >> some insurance quotes. Turns out I can get private insurance for my > >> family for as little as $221/month. Just a couple of minor > >> inconveniences, though: there's a $10,000 deductible and office > >> visits are not covered. I got a list of 82 quotes, the most expensive > >> being over $3,000/month. Even that had a deductible of $1750. And we > >> have no significant health issues in our family. You're goddamn right > >> it's a travesty. Insurance may be affordable, just as long as you > >> don't want it to actually cover anything. > > > > Big wahhhh! > > > > I'm paying over $700/mo. to cover my family with a $3000 deductible > > plan. $3000 is a drop in the bucket compared to the hospital bill. > > > > Your sense of entitlement is shining through again, John. By chance, > > do you work for the government? > > Once again, have you ever given any thought to what you're getting with > these exhorbitant premiums? Mostly you're just paying for deadbeats who > can't or won't get insurance. Doesn't it bother you? Wouldn't you rather > pay less? Of course I want to pay less. I want my clients to pay less. The answer lies in a strong individual mandate, forcing deadbeats to become insured. Those who are in a pickle like your friend should received public assistance. I've said this all along. -Greg
From: dene on 3 Mar 2010 12:15 "John B." <johnb505(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:93ab7a2a-fafa-42bc-bc74-47be505432f9(a)k17g2000yqb.googlegroups.com... On Mar 2, 11:50 pm, "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: > "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > > news:711d6763-3971-41b3-b79b-1636697472bb(a)g26g2000yqn.googlegroups.com... > On Mar 2, 8:32 pm, Carbon <nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Tue, 02 Mar 2010 13:36:47 -0800, dene wrote: > > > "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com>> wrote in message > > > news:2a75a43d-ed86-4ff6-bb4a- > > > eb741ca85...(a)a18g2000yqc.googlegroups.com... > > >> On Mar 2, 12:09 pm, "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com>> wrote: > > >>> "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com>> wrote in message > > > >>>> There are also plenty of people out there who CAN'T afford health > > >>>> insurance. But according to you and Bert, et al, they're all the > > >>>> victims of their own "bad choices," right? > > > >>> Cite where I said that, John. I specifically defined those who are > > >>> stealing. In your mind, is there any distinctions between a slacker, > > >>> an illegal, and the unemployed or are all the ininsured "victims"? > > > >> Of course there's a difference. But I don't know what the ratio is of > > >> "slackers" to people who genuinely can't afford health insurance and > > >> neither do you. There are those in your camp who claim there is NO > > >> ONE who can't afford health insurance. I wonder what world they live > > >> in. > > > > I'm glad you are acknowledging there are slackers out there. > > > Now....just what do you propose should be done with them to include > > > them among the insured pool? > > > Of course there are slackers. But there are also millions of families > > suffering because of the current system. Some just can't afford > > insurance. Some lose their jobs and can't afford Cobra. Some face > > skyrocketing premiums if they develop potentially expensive illnesses, > > and some are simply dropped altogether. It goes on and on. People want > > change, and I hope they get it. This is a travesty. > > Just for the fun of it, I filled out an on-line questionnaire to get > some insurance quotes. Turns out I can get private insurance for my > family for as little as $221/month. Just a couple of minor > inconveniences, though: there's a $10,000 deductible and office visits > are not covered. I got a list of 82 quotes, the most expensive being > over $3,000/month. Even that had a deductible of $1750. And we have no > significant health issues in our family. You're goddamn right it's a > travesty. Insurance may be affordable, just as long as you don't want > it to actually cover anything. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > Big wahhhh! > > I'm paying over $700/mo. to cover my family with a $3000 deductible plan. > $3000 is a drop in the bucket compared to the hospital bill. > > Your sense of entitlement is shining through again, John. By chance, do you > work for the government? > > -Greg- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - So what if you're paying $700/month? If you can do it, then everybody else can, too? Is this really your idea of an intelligent argument? I have no sense of entitlement. I don't feel that I'm "entitled" to anything. And, no, I don't work for the government (anymore). ------------------------------------------------------- The days of you or I paying less than $500/mo. for a zero deductible, co-pay plan are over. All present and future plans will have deductibles, requiring us to pony up for the "small" stuff, using the insurance to pay for the big stuff. That's the real world. Chevy's instead of Cadillacs. -Greg
From: dene on 3 Mar 2010 12:22
"William Clark" <clark(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio-state.edu> wrote in message news:clark-8D24D2.09530403032010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu... > In article <MPG.25f8312054bcd8d6989ca0(a)news.giganews.com>, > BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote: > > > In article <clark-6883CE.08091703032010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio- > > state.edu>, clark(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio-state.edu says... > > > > > Do you know how much of your medical expenses car insurance will cover? > > > > > Thank you. But, for the benefit of the hard of thinking, let's call it > > > > > getting hit by falling masonry while walking in the street. > > > > > > > > > > There. Got it now? > > > > > > > > Fine. If there is no liability insurance to cover the accident first, > > > > then > > > > one's health insurance will take over. > > > > > > > > If you don't have it, get it. > > > > > > > > -Greg > > > > > > Provided you can afford it. > > > > > > > Provided they are willing to give up unnecessary luxuries. > > Indeed, I go down to the east side of Columbus and work with single > parent families whose homes are loaded with "unnecessary luxuries", like > Ramen Noodles and such. > > You're a bigoted idiot. If true, they are on medicaid, aren't they? They are also receiving food stamps and housing allowances. So why are they *choosing* to eat Ramen Noodles? Laziness?? -Greg |