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From: dene on 3 Mar 2010 12:25 "Carbon" <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message news:4b8dee9d$0$4891$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com... > On Tue, 02 Mar 2010 20:55:08 -0800, dene wrote: > > "Carbon" <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message > > news:4b8dbd26$0$4858$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com... > >> On Tue, 02 Mar 2010 10:42:13 -0800, John B. wrote: > >> > >>> In the UK, you may wait for months for elective surgery. If you need > >>> urgent care, you get it right away. > >> > >> Same with Canada. > > > > Nice system. A person is in pain, needing a hip or knee replacement, > > waits months for the surgery. In the meantime, just sock them full of > > vicodin and watch tv.. > > > > I may pay more but it's worth it. > > It really isn't. Canada provides healthcare to all its citizens at 2/3 > the cost of the US system. The system obviously works better, because > your CIA world fact book says the average life expectancy in Canada is > more than three years greater than in the US. Similar lifestyle and > culture. Hmm, I wonder what could account for this amazing difference... We've covered this. The US has a more diverse society than Canada. The life expectancy is related to people's personal choices (obesity) than it is with health care. -Greg
From: dene on 3 Mar 2010 12:25 "John B." <johnb505(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:4895cd06-9bfa-49fc-b500-a93fc620ac66(a)z35g2000yqd.googlegroups.com... On Mar 3, 12:07 am, Carbon <nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote: > On Tue, 02 Mar 2010 20:55:08 -0800, dene wrote: > > "Carbon" <nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message > >news:4b8dbd26$0$4858$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com... > >> On Tue, 02 Mar 2010 10:42:13 -0800, John B. wrote: > > >>> In the UK, you may wait for months for elective surgery. If you need > >>> urgent care, you get it right away. > > >> Same with Canada. > > > Nice system. A person is in pain, needing a hip or knee replacement, > > waits months for the surgery. In the meantime, just sock them full of > > vicodin and watch tv.. > > > I may pay more but it's worth it. > > It really isn't. Canada provides healthcare to all its citizens at 2/3 > the cost of the US system. The system obviously works better, because > your CIA world fact book says the average life expectancy in Canada is > more than three years greater than in the US. Similar lifestyle and > culture. Hmm, I wonder what could account for this amazing difference... They're not all murdering eachother with handguns. You can't get one in Canada. ------------------------------------------------------------- Excellent point. -Greg
From: John B. on 3 Mar 2010 12:40 On Mar 3, 12:15 pm, "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: > "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > > news:93ab7a2a-fafa-42bc-bc74-47be505432f9(a)k17g2000yqb.googlegroups.com... > On Mar 2, 11:50 pm, "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: > > > > > > > "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > > >news:711d6763-3971-41b3-b79b-1636697472bb(a)g26g2000yqn.googlegroups.com.... > > On Mar 2, 8:32 pm, Carbon <nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote: > > > > On Tue, 02 Mar 2010 13:36:47 -0800, dene wrote: > > > > "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com>> wrote in message > > > > news:2a75a43d-ed86-4ff6-bb4a- > > > > eb741ca85...(a)a18g2000yqc.googlegroups.com... > > > >> On Mar 2, 12:09 pm, "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com>> wrote: > > > >>> "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com>> wrote in message > > > > >>>> There are also plenty of people out there who CAN'T afford health > > > >>>> insurance. But according to you and Bert, et al, they're all the > > > >>>> victims of their own "bad choices," right? > > > > >>> Cite where I said that, John. I specifically defined those who are > > > >>> stealing. In your mind, is there any distinctions between a slacker, > > > >>> an illegal, and the unemployed or are all the ininsured "victims"? > > > > >> Of course there's a difference. But I don't know what the ratio is of > > > >> "slackers" to people who genuinely can't afford health insurance and > > > >> neither do you. There are those in your camp who claim there is NO > > > >> ONE who can't afford health insurance. I wonder what world they live > > > >> in. > > > > > I'm glad you are acknowledging there are slackers out there. > > > > Now....just what do you propose should be done with them to include > > > > them among the insured pool? > > > > Of course there are slackers. But there are also millions of families > > > suffering because of the current system. Some just can't afford > > > insurance. Some lose their jobs and can't afford Cobra. Some face > > > skyrocketing premiums if they develop potentially expensive illnesses, > > > and some are simply dropped altogether. It goes on and on. People want > > > change, and I hope they get it. This is a travesty. > > > Just for the fun of it, I filled out an on-line questionnaire to get > > some insurance quotes. Turns out I can get private insurance for my > > family for as little as $221/month. Just a couple of minor > > inconveniences, though: there's a $10,000 deductible and office visits > > are not covered. I got a list of 82 quotes, the most expensive being > > over $3,000/month. Even that had a deductible of $1750. And we have no > > significant health issues in our family. You're goddamn right it's a > > travesty. Insurance may be affordable, just as long as you don't want > > it to actually cover anything. > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Big wahhhh! > > > I'm paying over $700/mo. to cover my family with a $3000 deductible plan. > > $3000 is a drop in the bucket compared to the hospital bill. > > > Your sense of entitlement is shining through again, John. By chance, do > you > > work for the government? > > > -Greg- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > So what if you're paying $700/month? If you can do it, then everybody > else can, too? Is this really your idea of an intelligent argument? I > have no sense of entitlement. I don't feel that I'm "entitled" to > anything. And, no, I don't work for the government (anymore). > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > The days of you or I paying less than $500/mo. for a zero deductible, co-pay > plan are over. All present and future plans will have deductibles, > requiring us to pony up for the "small" stuff, using the insurance to pay > for the big stuff. > > That's the real world. Chevy's instead of Cadillacs. > > -Greg- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Right, and they will continue to cost more and more and provide less and less. This is the system you're defending?
From: Alan Baker on 3 Mar 2010 13:51 In article <7v7jv6Fh45U1(a)mid.individual.net>, "dene" <dene(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: > "William Clark" <clark(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio-state.edu> wrote in message > news:clark-8D24D2.09530403032010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu... > > In article <MPG.25f8312054bcd8d6989ca0(a)news.giganews.com>, > > BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote: > > > > > In article <clark-6883CE.08091703032010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio- > > > state.edu>, clark(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio-state.edu says... > > > > > > Do you know how much of your medical expenses car insurance will > cover? > > > > > > Thank you. But, for the benefit of the hard of thinking, let's > call it > > > > > > getting hit by falling masonry while walking in the street. > > > > > > > > > > > > There. Got it now? > > > > > > > > > > Fine. If there is no liability insurance to cover the accident > first, > > > > > then > > > > > one's health insurance will take over. > > > > > > > > > > If you don't have it, get it. > > > > > > > > > > -Greg > > > > > > > > Provided you can afford it. > > > > > > > > > > Provided they are willing to give up unnecessary luxuries. > > > > Indeed, I go down to the east side of Columbus and work with single > > parent families whose homes are loaded with "unnecessary luxuries", like > > Ramen Noodles and such. > > > > You're a bigoted idiot. > > If true, they are on medicaid, aren't they? They are also receiving food > stamps and housing allowances. So why are they *choosing* to eat Ramen > Noodles? > > Laziness?? > > -Greg You think there's no group of people who earn too much to be on medicaid, but too little to afford their own health insurance? -- Alan Baker Vancouver, British Columbia <http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg>
From: dene on 3 Mar 2010 14:47
"John B." <johnb505(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:fc212a08-1a9f-4bfd-925d-9337db1846a7(a)c16g2000yqd.googlegroups.com... On Mar 3, 12:15 pm, "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: > "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > > news:93ab7a2a-fafa-42bc-bc74-47be505432f9(a)k17g2000yqb.googlegroups.com... > On Mar 2, 11:50 pm, "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: > > > > > > > "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > > >news:711d6763-3971-41b3-b79b-1636697472bb(a)g26g2000yqn.googlegroups.com... > > On Mar 2, 8:32 pm, Carbon <nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote: > > > > On Tue, 02 Mar 2010 13:36:47 -0800, dene wrote: > > > > "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com>> wrote in message > > > > news:2a75a43d-ed86-4ff6-bb4a- > > > > eb741ca85...(a)a18g2000yqc.googlegroups.com... > > > >> On Mar 2, 12:09 pm, "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com>> wrote: > > > >>> "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com>> wrote in message > > > > >>>> There are also plenty of people out there who CAN'T afford health > > > >>>> insurance. But according to you and Bert, et al, they're all the > > > >>>> victims of their own "bad choices," right? > > > > >>> Cite where I said that, John. I specifically defined those who are > > > >>> stealing. In your mind, is there any distinctions between a slacker, > > > >>> an illegal, and the unemployed or are all the ininsured "victims"? > > > > >> Of course there's a difference. But I don't know what the ratio is of > > > >> "slackers" to people who genuinely can't afford health insurance and > > > >> neither do you. There are those in your camp who claim there is NO > > > >> ONE who can't afford health insurance. I wonder what world they live > > > >> in. > > > > > I'm glad you are acknowledging there are slackers out there. > > > > Now....just what do you propose should be done with them to include > > > > them among the insured pool? > > > > Of course there are slackers. But there are also millions of families > > > suffering because of the current system. Some just can't afford > > > insurance. Some lose their jobs and can't afford Cobra. Some face > > > skyrocketing premiums if they develop potentially expensive illnesses, > > > and some are simply dropped altogether. It goes on and on. People want > > > change, and I hope they get it. This is a travesty. > > > Just for the fun of it, I filled out an on-line questionnaire to get > > some insurance quotes. Turns out I can get private insurance for my > > family for as little as $221/month. Just a couple of minor > > inconveniences, though: there's a $10,000 deductible and office visits > > are not covered. I got a list of 82 quotes, the most expensive being > > over $3,000/month. Even that had a deductible of $1750. And we have no > > significant health issues in our family. You're goddamn right it's a > > travesty. Insurance may be affordable, just as long as you don't want > > it to actually cover anything. > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Big wahhhh! > > > I'm paying over $700/mo. to cover my family with a $3000 deductible plan. > > $3000 is a drop in the bucket compared to the hospital bill. > > > Your sense of entitlement is shining through again, John. By chance, do > you > > work for the government? > > > -Greg- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > So what if you're paying $700/month? If you can do it, then everybody > else can, too? Is this really your idea of an intelligent argument? I > have no sense of entitlement. I don't feel that I'm "entitled" to > anything. And, no, I don't work for the government (anymore). > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > The days of you or I paying less than $500/mo. for a zero deductible, co-pay > plan are over. All present and future plans will have deductibles, > requiring us to pony up for the "small" stuff, using the insurance to pay > for the big stuff. > > That's the real world. Chevy's instead of Cadillacs. > > -Greg- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Right, and they will continue to cost more and more and provide less and less. This is the system you're defending? ----------------------------------------------------------- I've offered ideas that will reform the situation you describe. Your ideas have yet to be revealed. Anybody can quote rhetoric. Offering solutions is what counts. -Greg |