health care
in [Golf]
|
From: Carbon on 3 Mar 2010 19:03 On Wed, 03 Mar 2010 09:12:44 -0800, dene wrote: > "Carbon" <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message > news:4b8ded4c$0$4849$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com... >> On Tue, 02 Mar 2010 20:50:30 -0800, dene wrote: >>> "John B." <johnb505(a)gmail.com> wrote in message >>> news:711d6763-3971-41b3- >>> b79b-1636697472bb(a)g26g2000yqn.googlegroups.com... >>>> On Mar 2, 8:32 pm, Carbon <nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote: >>>>> On Tue, 02 Mar 2010 13:36:47 -0800, dene wrote: >>>>>> "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com>> wrote in message >>>>>> news:2a75a43d-ed86-4ff6-bb4a- >>>>>> eb741ca85...(a)a18g2000yqc.googlegroups.com... >>>>>>> On Mar 2, 12:09 pm, "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com>> wrote: >>>>>>>> "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com>> wrote in message >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> There are also plenty of people out there who CAN'T afford >>>>>>>>> health insurance. But according to you and Bert, et al, >>>>>>>>> they're all the victims of their own "bad choices," right? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Cite where I said that, John. I specifically defined those who >>>>>>>> are stealing. In your mind, is there any distinctions between a >>>>>>>> slacker, an illegal, and the unemployed or are all the >>>>>>>> ininsured "victims"? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Of course there's a difference. But I don't know what the ratio >>>>>>> is of "slackers" to people who genuinely can't afford health >>>>>>> insurance and neither do you. There are those in your camp who >>>>>>> claim there is NO ONE who can't afford health insurance. I >>>>>>> wonder what world they live in. >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm glad you are acknowledging there are slackers out there. >>>>>> Now....just what do you propose should be done with them to >>>>>> include them among the insured pool? >>>>> >>>>> Of course there are slackers. But there are also millions of >>>>> families suffering because of the current system. Some just can't >>>>> afford insurance. Some lose their jobs and can't afford Cobra. >>>>> Some face skyrocketing premiums if they develop potentially >>>>> expensive illnesses, and some are simply dropped altogether. It >>>>> goes on and on. People want change, and I hope they get it. This >>>>> is a travesty. >>>> >>>> Just for the fun of it, I filled out an on-line questionnaire to >>>> get some insurance quotes. Turns out I can get private insurance >>>> for my family for as little as $221/month. Just a couple of minor >>>> inconveniences, though: there's a $10,000 deductible and office >>>> visits are not covered. I got a list of 82 quotes, the most >>>> expensive being over $3,000/month. Even that had a deductible of >>>> $1750. And we have no significant health issues in our family. >>>> You're goddamn right it's a travesty. Insurance may be affordable, >>>> just as long as you don't want it to actually cover anything. >>> >>> Big wahhhh! >>> >>> I'm paying over $700/mo. to cover my family with a $3000 deductible >>> plan. $3000 is a drop in the bucket compared to the hospital bill. >>> >>> Your sense of entitlement is shining through again, John. By >>> chance, do you work for the government? >> >> Once again, have you ever given any thought to what you're getting >> with these exhorbitant premiums? Mostly you're just paying for >> deadbeats who can't or won't get insurance. Doesn't it bother you? >> Wouldn't you rather pay less? > > Of course I want to pay less. I want my clients to pay less. The > answer lies in a strong individual mandate, forcing deadbeats to > become insured. Those who are in a pickle like your friend should > received public assistance. I've said this all along. The problem is it's never going to happen: for a variety of reasons, everyone is not going to suddenly start paying for health insurance.
From: Howard Brazee on 3 Mar 2010 19:05 On Tue, 2 Mar 2010 18:34:36 -0800 (PST), "John B." <johnb505(a)gmail.com> wrote: >Just for the fun of it, I filled out an on-line questionnaire to get >some insurance quotes. Turns out I can get private insurance for my >family for as little as $221/month. Just a couple of minor >inconveniences, though: there's a $10,000 deductible and office visits >are not covered. I got a list of 82 quotes, the most expensive being >over $3,000/month. Even that had a deductible of $1750. And we have no >significant health issues in our family. You're goddamn right it's a >travesty. Insurance may be affordable, just as long as you don't want >it to actually cover anything. Insurance is affordable is it is just insurance. If you add a requirement that it needs to pay for normal maintenance, you need to add the cost of normal health care to it. -- "In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found, than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace to the legislature, and not to the executive department." - James Madison
From: Carbon on 3 Mar 2010 19:07 On Wed, 03 Mar 2010 06:48:51 -0500, BAR wrote: > In article <4b8dbc18$0$4858$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, > nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says... >> On Tue, 02 Mar 2010 13:36:47 -0800, dene wrote: >>> "John B." <johnb505(a)gmail.com>> wrote in message >>> news:2a75a43d-ed86-4ff6-bb4a- >>> eb741ca85688(a)a18g2000yqc.googlegroups.com... >>>> On Mar 2, 12:09 pm, "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com>> wrote: >>>>> "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com>> wrote in message >>>>> >>>>>> There are also plenty of people out there who CAN'T afford health >>>>>> insurance. But according to you and Bert, et al, they're all the >>>>>> victims of their own "bad choices," right? >>>>> >>>>> Cite where I said that, John. I specifically defined those who are >>>>> stealing. In your mind, is there any distinctions between a >>>>> slacker, an illegal, and the unemployed or are all the ininsured >>>>> "victims"? >>>> >>>> Of course there's a difference. But I don't know what the ratio is >>>> of "slackers" to people who genuinely can't afford health insurance >>>> and neither do you. There are those in your camp who claim there is >>>> NO ONE who can't afford health insurance. I wonder what world they >>>> live in. >>> >>> I'm glad you are acknowledging there are slackers out there. >>> Now....just what do you propose should be done with them to include >>> them among the insured pool? >> >> Of course there are slackers. But there are also millions of families >> suffering because of the current system. Some just can't afford >> insurance. Some lose their jobs and can't afford Cobra. Some face >> skyrocketing premiums if they develop potentially expensive >> illnesses, and some are simply dropped altogether. It goes on and on. >> People want change, and I hope they get it. This is a travesty. > > Life is not fair now, nor has it ever been fair. > > 75% of the people don't want the change currently on the table. So say you lose your job and can't find another, your wife leaves you, your dog dies, etc. Would you still have the same charming fuckya philosophy of life if you were one of the less fortunate?
From: Carbon on 3 Mar 2010 19:11 On Wed, 03 Mar 2010 07:25:55 -0500, BAR wrote: > In article <4b8dceb3$0$4874$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, > nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says... >> On Tue, 02 Mar 2010 21:32:53 -0500, BAR wrote: >>> In article <4b8dbc77$0$4858$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, >>> nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says... >>>> On Tue, 02 Mar 2010 07:44:15 -0500, BAR wrote: >>>>> In article <jv0po5tpu9o8csea3brsi83lug8gumasiu(a)4ax.com>, >>>>> bknight(a)conramp.net says... >>>>>> On Mon, 1 Mar 2010 20:47:03 -0500, BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote: >>>>>>> In article <lgqoo5plbuimmmsfl95n852l6kfcg2vik7(a)4ax.com>, >>>>>>> bknight(a)conramp.net says... >>>>>>>> On Mon, 1 Mar 2010 20:26:02 -0500, BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> If someone walked into your house and grabbed your wife's >>>>>>>>> jewelry and your computer and other valuables so that they >>>>>>>>> could eat would you call the police? Would you just let them >>>>>>>>> steal from you? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Bert, you really need to do some studying on analogies. This >>>>>>>> one was so far off it isn't even funny.....even for you. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Stealing is stealing. When you got to a place of business and >>>>>>> you have have no intention of paying for the services you >>>>>>> receive you are stealing. >>>>>> >>>>>> Your analogy was idiotic. Period. >>>>> >>>>> People receiving free health care are stealing from others. >>>> >>>> You're insane. >>> >>> No, I pay my bills. >> >> In addition to all the uninsured you insist on paying for. > > I would have quite a bit more of my money to spend on what I want to > spend it on if the dead-beats would pay for their own health care. You would have a lot more if there was universal healthcare. Your out of pocket expenses would drop by about a third, if the rest of the first world is anything to go by.
From: Howard Brazee on 3 Mar 2010 19:11
On Wed, 03 Mar 2010 15:51:58 -0500, William Clark <clark(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio-state.edu> wrote: >You have, and it is still total and absolute BS. The 49 countries with >life expectancies longer than the US represent all parts of the genetic >tree. Which ethnic component of the US population is responsible for >pulling its figures down? > >Think carefully before you answer. Old people? -- "In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found, than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace to the legislature, and not to the executive department." - James Madison |