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From: BAR on 3 Mar 2010 19:54 In article <4b8ef9bf$0$4856$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says... > > On Wed, 03 Mar 2010 06:48:51 -0500, BAR wrote: > > In article <4b8dbc18$0$4858$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, > > nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says... > >> On Tue, 02 Mar 2010 13:36:47 -0800, dene wrote: > >>> "John B." <johnb505(a)gmail.com>> wrote in message > >>> news:2a75a43d-ed86-4ff6-bb4a- > >>> eb741ca85688(a)a18g2000yqc.googlegroups.com... > >>>> On Mar 2, 12:09 pm, "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com>> wrote: > >>>>> "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com>> wrote in message > >>>>> > >>>>>> There are also plenty of people out there who CAN'T afford health > >>>>>> insurance. But according to you and Bert, et al, they're all the > >>>>>> victims of their own "bad choices," right? > >>>>> > >>>>> Cite where I said that, John. I specifically defined those who are > >>>>> stealing. In your mind, is there any distinctions between a > >>>>> slacker, an illegal, and the unemployed or are all the ininsured > >>>>> "victims"? > >>>> > >>>> Of course there's a difference. But I don't know what the ratio is > >>>> of "slackers" to people who genuinely can't afford health insurance > >>>> and neither do you. There are those in your camp who claim there is > >>>> NO ONE who can't afford health insurance. I wonder what world they > >>>> live in. > >>> > >>> I'm glad you are acknowledging there are slackers out there. > >>> Now....just what do you propose should be done with them to include > >>> them among the insured pool? > >> > >> Of course there are slackers. But there are also millions of families > >> suffering because of the current system. Some just can't afford > >> insurance. Some lose their jobs and can't afford Cobra. Some face > >> skyrocketing premiums if they develop potentially expensive > >> illnesses, and some are simply dropped altogether. It goes on and on. > >> People want change, and I hope they get it. This is a travesty. > > > > Life is not fair now, nor has it ever been fair. > > > > 75% of the people don't want the change currently on the table. > > So say you lose your job and can't find another, your wife leaves you, > your dog dies, etc. Would you still have the same charming fuckya > philosophy of life if you were one of the less fortunate? Do you know what integrity and principles are, some of us have them. It was late October 1980. My boss at the USDA said that if you wanted to keep your job you know who to vote for for president. I pulled the lever for Ronald Wilson Reagan. I voted for the guy who said that he was going to reduce the federal workforce. I take responsibility for the choices and decisions I make in my life. I don't complain about the curves that life has thrown at me, I look them in the eye and deal with them and get on with my life. To answer your question, I will never be "less fortunate" because I will pick myself up and move on with my life.
From: BAR on 3 Mar 2010 19:56 In article <4b8efa9b$0$4881$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says... > > On Wed, 03 Mar 2010 07:25:55 -0500, BAR wrote: > > In article <4b8dceb3$0$4874$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, > > nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says... > >> On Tue, 02 Mar 2010 21:32:53 -0500, BAR wrote: > >>> In article <4b8dbc77$0$4858$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, > >>> nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says... > >>>> On Tue, 02 Mar 2010 07:44:15 -0500, BAR wrote: > >>>>> In article <jv0po5tpu9o8csea3brsi83lug8gumasiu(a)4ax.com>, > >>>>> bknight(a)conramp.net says... > >>>>>> On Mon, 1 Mar 2010 20:47:03 -0500, BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote: > >>>>>>> In article <lgqoo5plbuimmmsfl95n852l6kfcg2vik7(a)4ax.com>, > >>>>>>> bknight(a)conramp.net says... > >>>>>>>> On Mon, 1 Mar 2010 20:26:02 -0500, BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> If someone walked into your house and grabbed your wife's > >>>>>>>>> jewelry and your computer and other valuables so that they > >>>>>>>>> could eat would you call the police? Would you just let them > >>>>>>>>> steal from you? > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Bert, you really need to do some studying on analogies. This > >>>>>>>> one was so far off it isn't even funny.....even for you. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Stealing is stealing. When you got to a place of business and > >>>>>>> you have have no intention of paying for the services you > >>>>>>> receive you are stealing. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Your analogy was idiotic. Period. > >>>>> > >>>>> People receiving free health care are stealing from others. > >>>> > >>>> You're insane. > >>> > >>> No, I pay my bills. > >> > >> In addition to all the uninsured you insist on paying for. > > > > I would have quite a bit more of my money to spend on what I want to > > spend it on if the dead-beats would pay for their own health care. > > You would have a lot more if there was universal healthcare. Your out of > pocket expenses would drop by about a third, if the rest of the first > world is anything to go by. Universal Health Care only works by take from those that have and giving it to those who don't have. It is a form of communism.
From: Howard Brazee on 3 Mar 2010 20:14 On Wed, 3 Mar 2010 19:54:47 -0500, BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote: >It was late October 1980. My boss at the USDA said that if you wanted to >keep your job you know who to vote for for president. I pulled the lever >for Ronald Wilson Reagan. I voted for the guy who said that he was going >to reduce the federal workforce. He lied. But they all do. -- "In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found, than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace to the legislature, and not to the executive department." - James Madison
From: Carbon on 3 Mar 2010 20:27 On Wed, 03 Mar 2010 19:54:47 -0500, BAR wrote: > In article <4b8ef9bf$0$4856$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, > nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says... >> On Wed, 03 Mar 2010 06:48:51 -0500, BAR wrote: >>> In article <4b8dbc18$0$4858$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, >>> nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says... >>>> On Tue, 02 Mar 2010 13:36:47 -0800, dene wrote: >>>>> "John B." <johnb505(a)gmail.com>> wrote in message >>>>> news:2a75a43d-ed86-4ff6-bb4a- >>>>> eb741ca85688(a)a18g2000yqc.googlegroups.com... >>>>>> On Mar 2, 12:09 pm, "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com>> wrote: >>>>>>> "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com>> wrote in message >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> There are also plenty of people out there who CAN'T afford >>>>>>>> health insurance. But according to you and Bert, et al, they're >>>>>>>> all the victims of their own "bad choices," right? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cite where I said that, John. I specifically defined those who >>>>>>> are stealing. In your mind, is there any distinctions between a >>>>>>> slacker, an illegal, and the unemployed or are all the ininsured >>>>>>> "victims"? >>>>>> >>>>>> Of course there's a difference. But I don't know what the ratio >>>>>> is of "slackers" to people who genuinely can't afford health >>>>> insurance and neither do you. There are those in your camp who >>>>>> claim there is NO ONE who can't afford health insurance. I wonder >>>>>> what world they live in. >>>>> >>>>> I'm glad you are acknowledging there are slackers out there. >>>>> Now....just what do you propose should be done with them to >>>>> include them among the insured pool? >>>> >>>> Of course there are slackers. But there are also millions of >>>> families suffering because of the current system. Some just can't >>>> afford insurance. Some lose their jobs and can't afford Cobra. Some >>>> face skyrocketing premiums if they develop potentially expensive >>>> illnesses, and some are simply dropped altogether. It goes on and >>>> on. People want change, and I hope they get it. This is a travesty. >>> >>> Life is not fair now, nor has it ever been fair. >>> >>> 75% of the people don't want the change currently on the table. >> >> So say you lose your job and can't find another, your wife leaves >> you, your dog dies, etc. Would you still have the same charming >> fuckya philosophy of life if you were one of the less fortunate? > > Do you know what integrity and principles are, some of us have them. > > It was late October 1980. My boss at the USDA said that if you wanted > to keep your job you know who to vote for for president. I pulled the > lever for Ronald Wilson Reagan. I voted for the guy who said that he > was going to reduce the federal workforce. > > I take responsibility for the choices and decisions I make in my life. > I don't complain about the curves that life has thrown at me, I look > them in the eye and deal with them and get on with my life. > > To answer your question, I will never be "less fortunate" because I > will pick myself up and move on with my life. So you believe your fuckya philosophy is A-OK because you think it will never apply to you. How very noble. It must really burn you up that so many poor people (e.g. "thieves") get free healthcare. Forget Obama. Here's the Bert Robbins healthcare plan. Install bouncers at every hospital and run the credit of everyone who walks in the door, no exceptions. It's not like they have any choice, so make the sick pay in advance. Anyone who turns out to be sicker than they have money to pay for shall be dragged out back and shot.
From: Carbon on 3 Mar 2010 20:29
On Wed, 03 Mar 2010 19:56:28 -0500, BAR wrote: > In article <4b8efa9b$0$4881$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, > nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says... >> On Wed, 03 Mar 2010 07:25:55 -0500, BAR wrote: >>> In article <4b8dceb3$0$4874$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, >>> nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says... >>>> On Tue, 02 Mar 2010 21:32:53 -0500, BAR wrote: >>>>> In article <4b8dbc77$0$4858$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, >>>>> nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says... >>>>>> On Tue, 02 Mar 2010 07:44:15 -0500, BAR wrote: >>>>>>> In article <jv0po5tpu9o8csea3brsi83lug8gumasiu(a)4ax.com>, >>>>>>> bknight(a)conramp.net says... >>>>>>>> On Mon, 1 Mar 2010 20:47:03 -0500, BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> In article <lgqoo5plbuimmmsfl95n852l6kfcg2vik7(a)4ax.com>, >>>>>>>>> bknight(a)conramp.net says... >>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 1 Mar 2010 20:26:02 -0500, BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> If someone walked into your house and grabbed your wife's >>>>>>>>>>> jewelry and your computer and other valuables so that they >>>>>>>>>>> could eat would you call the police? Would you just let them >>>>>>>>>>> steal from you? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Bert, you really need to do some studying on analogies. This >>>>>>>>>> one was so far off it isn't even funny.....even for you. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Stealing is stealing. When you got to a place of business and >>>>>>>>> you have have no intention of paying for the services you >>>>>>>>> receive you are stealing. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Your analogy was idiotic. Period. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> People receiving free health care are stealing from others. >>>>>> >>>>>> You're insane. >>>>> >>>>> No, I pay my bills. >>>> >>>> In addition to all the uninsured you insist on paying for. >>> >>> I would have quite a bit more of my money to spend on what I want to >>> spend it on if the dead-beats would pay for their own health care. >> >> You would have a lot more if there was universal healthcare. Your out >> of pocket expenses would drop by about a third, if the rest of the >> first world is anything to go by. > > Universal Health Care only works by take from those that have and > giving it to those who don't have. It is a form of communism. Your argument is a form of stupidity. Do you even know what communism is? |