From: Carbon on
On Thu, 04 Mar 2010 07:49:00 -0500, BAR wrote:
> In article <4b8f0c98$0$4975$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>,
> nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says...
>>>
>>>> So say you lose your job and can't find another, your wife leaves
>>>> you, your dog dies, etc. Would you still have the same charming
>>>> fuckya philosophy of life if you were one of the less fortunate?
>>>
>>> Do you know what integrity and principles are, some of us have them.
>>>
>>> It was late October 1980. My boss at the USDA said that if you
>>> wanted to keep your job you know who to vote for for president. I
>>> pulled the lever for Ronald Wilson Reagan. I voted for the guy who
>>> said that he was going to reduce the federal workforce.
>>>
>>> I take responsibility for the choices and decisions I make in my
>>> life. I don't complain about the curves that life has thrown at me,
>>> I look them in the eye and deal with them and get on with my life.
>>>
>>> To answer your question, I will never be "less fortunate" because I
>>> will pick myself up and move on with my life.
>>
>> So you believe your fuckya philosophy is A-OK because you think it
>> will never apply to you. How very noble. It must really burn you up
>> that so many poor people (e.g. "thieves") get free healthcare. Forget
>> Obama. Here's the Bert Robbins healthcare plan. Install bouncers at
>> every hospital and run the credit of everyone who walks in the door,
>> no exceptions. It's not like they have any choice, so make the sick
>> pay in advance. Anyone who turns out to be sicker than they have
>> money to pay for shall be dragged out back and shot.
>
> I believe in personal responsibility.
>
> Why do you want to make everyone a ward of the state?

As usual, you're letting yourself be blinded by ideology. Some people
just aren't ever going to pay their share. This is what is known as a
simple, obvious fact of life. So the pragmatic approach is to minimize
the burden these people impose on everyone else. The way it is now,
they can't go to the doctor, so they wait until they're really sick and
go to Emergency. It's the most expensive possible arrangement.

That's why haul the poor out back and shoot them. Of course, they'd catch
on pretty quick, so really we'd have to send out search parties to hunt
them down. It only makes sense.
From: Jack Hollis on
On Thu, 4 Mar 2010 09:47:45 -0800 (PST), "John B."
<johnb505(a)gmail.com> wrote:

>On Mar 4, 11:29=A0am, Jack Hollis <xslee...(a)aol.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, 3 Mar 2010 23:32:28 -0800, "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >It's hard for me to defend the worst president since Carter....but I wil=
>l
>> >never agree with you or anybody in saying he is a dumb man.
>>
>> Only a complete ideologue could ignore the objective data that Bush
>> was a man of superior to very superior intelligence. =A0
>
>I haven't seen that data. Can you tell me where to find it?


Bush's SAT score (pre 1974) was 1206. As you might expect, his 566 in
verbal was well below his 640 in math.

In any case, this score converts to an IQ of around 127 to 132 which
is in the superior to very superior range.

http://www.iqcomparisonsite.com/Pre1974SAT.aspx

BTW, JFK scored a 119 on the Otis IQ test when he was tested for
admission to a private high school.
From: Jack Hollis on
On Thu, 4 Mar 2010 10:39:54 -0800 (PST), Dinosaur_Sr
<frostback2002(a)att.net> wrote:

>
>Who gets turned down when they *NEED* health care? No one?

Even the uninsured in America have access to better health care than
the rest of the world.
From: Carbon on
On Wed, 03 Mar 2010 23:30:03 -0800, dene wrote:
> "Carbon" <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:4b8efbb7$0$4881$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com...
>> On Wed, 03 Mar 2010 09:25:27 -0800, dene wrote:
>>> "Carbon" <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
>>> news:4b8dee9d$0$4891$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com...
>>>> On Tue, 02 Mar 2010 20:55:08 -0800, dene wrote:
>>>>> "Carbon" <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:4b8dbd26$0$4858$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com...
>>>>>> On Tue, 02 Mar 2010 10:42:13 -0800, John B. wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In the UK, you may wait for months for elective surgery. If you
>>>>>>> need urgent care, you get it right away.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Same with Canada.
>>>>>
>>>>> Nice system. A person is in pain, needing a hip or knee
>>>>> replacement, waits months for the surgery. In the meantime, just
>>>>> sock them full of vicodin and watch tv..
>>>>>
>>>>> I may pay more but it's worth it.
>>>>
>>>> It really isn't. Canada provides healthcare to all its citizens at
>>>> 2/3 the cost of the US system. The system obviously works better,
>>>> because your CIA world fact book says the average life expectancy
>>>> in Canada is more than three years greater than in the US. Similar
>>>> lifestyle and culture. Hmm, I wonder what could account for this
>>>> amazing difference...
>>>
>>> We've covered this. The US has a more diverse society than Canada.
>>> The life expectancy is related to people's personal choices
>>> (obesity) than it is with health care.
>>
>> Do you really think people suddenly become less fat on the other side
>> of the border?
>
> There's definitely more smelly people in Florida vs. Oregon. :)

Must be all the fried food.
From: Jack Hollis on
On Thu, 4 Mar 2010 10:53:15 -0800 (PST), Dinosaur_Sr
<frostback2002(a)att.net> wrote:

>On Mar 4, 11:29=A0am, Jack Hollis <xslee...(a)aol.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, 3 Mar 2010 23:32:28 -0800, "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >It's hard for me to defend the worst president since Carter....but I wil=
>l
>> >never agree with you or anybody in saying he is a dumb man.
>>
>> Only a complete ideologue could ignore the objective data that Bush
>> was a man of superior to very superior intelligence. =A0
>
>Rosie O'Donnell and Keith Olberwoman disagree with you!

Rosie is as dumb as they come, but Keith seems to be pretty sharp. But
the data is clear Bush is a very smart man. And he's a man of
conviction and principle, which, combined with his superior
intelligence, made him a great president.. Again, only a complete
ideologue could ignore objective data.