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From: BAR on 5 Mar 2010 16:29 In article <clark-4B88A9.15470505032010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio- state.edu>, clark(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio-state.edu says... > > In article <MPG.25fb357ca6e29553989cb4(a)news.giganews.com>, > BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote: > > > In article <7bb525bb-ab48-4091-9092-8da854d01e75 > > @o3g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>, johnb505(a)gmail.com says... > > > > > > On Mar 5, 2:04�pm, "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: > > > > <bkni...(a)conramp.net> wrote in message > > > > > > > > news:mg62p59ohnij906q1qdgfegkniq37a49dn(a)4ax.com... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Wait till you see the debt when Obama leaves. > > > > > > > > > Look at the deficit that he started with, and he continued on the same > > > > > path as Bush. � Do you think McCain would've done anything different? > > > > > > > > > BK > > > > > > > > Yes. > > > > > > > > For one thing, he wouldn't be ramming another entitlement down America's > > > > throat. > > > > > > > > -Greg > > > > > > How is it that a bill that went through the full legislative process, > > > was passed by the House, then passed by the Senate with 60 votes is > > > being rammed down our throats? > > > > The representatives of the people in the House and the Senators are not > > listening to their constituents. Support for health care reform in its > > current form only has support from 25% of the people, 75% of the people > > do not support health care reform in its current form. That is 3 to 1 > > against what the President, Nancy Pelosi, and Harry Reid are trying to > > ram down our throats. > > Indeed, close to 70% of the people want a single payor option, but then > it wouldn't be important to you to listen to them, now would it? The > only reason support for health care reform in "its current form" seems > to be dwindling, is that the "current form" has been so diluted and > undercut by the GoP and the health industry lobbyists, that it simply > falls way short of what most people want. Do you have a source for your 70% want a single pay option. This s the first I have heard of this desire. The Democrats have a majority of seats in the House and a majority of seats in the Senate. The Democrats could have passed health care without a single Republican vote when they had 60 votes in the Senate. You and your fellow travelers keep blaming the Republicans and the health industry lobbyists but that rings hollow. The Democrats have no one to blame but themselves.
From: John B. on 5 Mar 2010 16:58 On Mar 5, 3:37 pm, BAR <sc...(a)you.com> wrote: > In article <7bb525bb-ab48-4091-9092-8da854d01e75 > @o3g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>, johnb...(a)gmail.com says... > > > > > > > > > On Mar 5, 2:04 pm, "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: > > > <bkni...(a)conramp.net> wrote in message > > > >news:mg62p59ohnij906q1qdgfegkniq37a49dn(a)4ax.com... > > > > > >Wait till you see the debt when Obama leaves. > > > > > Look at the deficit that he started with, and he continued on the same > > > > path as Bush. Do you think McCain would've done anything different? > > > > > BK > > > > Yes. > > > > For one thing, he wouldn't be ramming another entitlement down America's > > > throat. > > > > -Greg > > > How is it that a bill that went through the full legislative process, > > was passed by the House, then passed by the Senate with 60 votes is > > being rammed down our throats? > > The representatives of the people in the House and the Senators are not > listening to their constituents. Support for health care reform in its > current form only has support from 25% of the people, 75% of the people > do not support health care reform in its current form. That is 3 to 1 > against what the President, Nancy Pelosi, and Harry Reid are trying to > ram down our throats.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - I don't know where you got those numbers, but I doubt that more than 10% of Americans even know what the bill's "current form" is. The fact is that Obama made very clear during his campaign that major, substantive health care reform was one of his top priorities. And he was elected. Congress has been working on this legislation for a year. It has been pased by both chambers. That is how democracy works. Nobody is ramming anything down anyone's throat.
From: BAR on 5 Mar 2010 17:17 In article <ea6c5cb0-d9a9-4c81-ae2f-b3357dbc1462 @g4g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>, johnb505(a)gmail.com says... > > On Mar 5, 3:37�pm, BAR <sc...(a)you.com> wrote: > > In article <7bb525bb-ab48-4091-9092-8da854d01e75 > > @o3g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>, johnb...(a)gmail.com says... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mar 5, 2:04�pm, "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: > > > > <bkni...(a)conramp.net> wrote in message > > > > > >news:mg62p59ohnij906q1qdgfegkniq37a49dn(a)4ax.com... > > > > > > > >Wait till you see the debt when Obama leaves. > > > > > > > Look at the deficit that he started with, and he continued on the same > > > > > path as Bush. � Do you think McCain would've done anything different? > > > > > > > BK > > > > > > Yes. > > > > > > For one thing, he wouldn't be ramming another entitlement down America's > > > > throat. > > > > > > -Greg > > > > > How is it that a bill that went through the full legislative process, > > > was passed by the House, then passed by the Senate with 60 votes is > > > being rammed down our throats? > > > > The representatives of the people in the House and the Senators are not > > listening to their constituents. Support for health care reform in its > > current form only has support from 25% of the people, 75% of the people > > do not support health care reform in its current form. That is 3 to 1 > > against what the President, Nancy Pelosi, and Harry Reid are trying to > > ram down our throats.- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > I don't know where you got those numbers, but I doubt that more than > 10% of Americans even know what the bill's "current form" is. The fact > is that Obama made very clear during his campaign that major, > substantive health care reform was one of his top priorities. And he > was elected. Congress has been working on this legislation for a year. > It has been pased by both chambers. That is how democracy works. > Nobody is ramming anything down anyone's throat. You and Clark are some of the most uninformed and laziest people I know of. Neither of you keep up with current events. http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2010/02/24/cnn-poll-health-care- provisions-popular-but-overall-bills-unpopular/?fbid=P48GJGyJjpH Please do shoot the messenger first. That is what you and Billy do with information that contradicts your assumptions.
From: Carbon on 5 Mar 2010 19:00 On Fri, 05 Mar 2010 13:40:56 -0600, bknight wrote: > On Fri, 5 Mar 2010 11:11:51 -0800, "dene" <dene(a)remove.ipns.com> > wrote: >> <bknight(a)conramp.net> wrote in message >> news:f5fvo514fneb96k0td6o1d2jrifjlfh956(a)4ax.com... >>> On Wed, 3 Mar 2010 23:32:28 -0800, "dene" <dene(a)remove.ipns.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> It's hard for me to defend the worst president since Carter....but >>>> I will never agree with you or anybody in saying he is a dumb man. >>> >>> If you ever met him face-to-face you'd see. >> >> Karl Rove's experience in knowing Bush for 40 years contradicts your >> one time encounter with him. >> >> http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/35723068/ns/today-today_people/ > > Rove? LOL The man is a crook, a political operative of the lowest order.
From: Carbon on 5 Mar 2010 19:22
On Fri, 05 Mar 2010 09:58:06 -0500, BAR wrote: > In article <3f6a7bc2-c958-4df8-a6b5-50683bfa60f9 > @x22g2000yqx.googlegroups.com>, johnb505(a)gmail.com says... >> On Mar 4, 9:00 pm, Jack Hollis <xslee...(a)aol.com> wrote: >>> On Thu, 4 Mar 2010 10:53:15 -0800 (PST), Dinosaur_Sr >>> <frostback2...(a)att.net> wrote: >>>> On Mar 4, 11:29=A0am, Jack Hollis <xslee...(a)aol.com> wrote: >>>>> On Wed, 3 Mar 2010 23:32:28 -0800, "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> It's hard for me to defend the worst president since >>>>>> Carter....but I will never agree with you or anybody in saying he >>>>>> is a dumb man. >>>>> >>>>> Only a complete ideologue could ignore the objective data that >>>>> Bush was a man of superior to very superior intelligence. =A0 >>>> >>>> Rosie O'Donnell and Keith Olberwoman disagree with you! >>> >>> Rosie is as dumb as they come, but Keith seems to be pretty sharp. >>> But the data is clear Bush is a very smart man. And he's a man of >>> conviction and principle, which, combined with his superior >>> intelligence, made him a great president.. Again, only a complete >>> ideologue could ignore objective data. >> >> A great president? Let's look objectively at how things were at the >> end of the Clinton administration and how things were at the end of >> Bush. At the end of Clinton there was a budget surplus, we were at >> the end of the longest persion of economic growth in US history, we >> were at peace, crime had fallen nationwide, unemployment was low and >> the United States was sitting on top of the world. At the end of >> Bush, we were in two wars, there was a $1.7 trillion deficit, a >> financial crisis and a severe recession, high unemployment, and >> America's standing in the world had fallen to an all-time low. All in >> all, the country was in worse shape than at anytime since WWII. But >> Bush was a great president, huh? > > Clinton is lucky that the economy didn't start to tank prior to March > of 1999. Despite a congenital inability to keep his pants on, Clinton was an effective President, much more so than either Bush. You may not like to hear it, but it's true. |