From: Dinosaur_Sr on 10 Mar 2010 10:55 On Mar 9, 8:13 pm, William Clark <wcla...(a)colnospamumbus.rr.com> wrote: > In article <4b96e068$0$5119$9a6e1...(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, > > > > Carbon <nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote: > > On Tue, 09 Mar 2010 14:01:24 -0800, Dinosaur_Sr wrote: > > > On Mar 9, 3:57 pm, "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > >> On Mar 8, 2:51 pm, Dinosaur_Sr <frostback2...(a)att.net> wrote: > > > >>> Really? If I get ALS, I would want full time *CARE* in a care > > >>> facility with expertise in the area. Someone to come and clean me up > > >>> twice a day at home is pretty grim to me. "Home care" is > > >>> substandard, cheapo care in cases like this, but it is where you > > >>> have to go when the people have to support a useless, politicized > > >>> govt bureaucracy and the cost of health care with the money they > > >>> earn and spend on health care. FWIW, no need to support the > > >>> insurance companies either, IMHO. If you can pay for a house or a > > >>> car, you can pay for health care, and people who are too good to > > >>> work can sleep in their own bed. > > > >> I find it absolutely astounding that you would purport to lecture > > >> William or me about ALS. He lost his father and I lost my mother to > > >> it. Everything you've said here is bullshit. There is no such thing > > >> as a full-time care facility with expertise in ALS. Home care is NOT > > >> "cheapo," or substandard. You know absolutely nothing about this > > >> disease, or about health care in general, and you'd be well-advised > > >> to shut up about it. > > > > Rubbish. I've seen the home care scam up front and personal. They push > > > you out of the hospital ASAP, barely conscious in some instances. Home > > > care is an excuse for cut rate care, and the emotional rubbish thrown > > > out to support it indicates a cynical, almost evil lack of compassion > > > by the system. > > > How about you just admit that you have no idea about ALS care and we all > > move on? > > Never happen,. He can never admit anything - even lying about publishing > in materials science journals and attending materials science > conferences. It really is amazing how the fact that I have published in the area of materials science, and attended conferences in that field bugs you.
From: Dinosaur_Sr on 10 Mar 2010 10:57 On Mar 9, 8:25 pm, "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Mar 9, 8:06 pm, William Clark <wcla...(a)colnospamumbus.rr.com> > wrote: > > > > > In article <p5idp5looaunc3gkv7la2sls5k4m02o...(a)4ax.com>, > > > bkni...(a)conramp.net wrote: > > > On Tue, 9 Mar 2010 13:59:51 -0800 (PST), Dinosaur_Sr > > > <frostback2...(a)att.net> wrote: > > > <clip> > > > >I am in no way sorry that I don't buy your sanctimonious BS. Some > > > >nurse is just that. When one has a serious chronic, degenerative > > > >disorder like ALS, a nurse is not qualified to deal with problems that > > > >come up. You need a specialist MD, and if you don't know, and you > > > >sound like you don't, ALS patients can have a variety of very serious > > > >issues develop at any time. You need specialized, qualified people to > > > >deal with this, and such care is in fact available in the US to > > > >anyone...of course they have to pay for it...and if you have a problem > > > >with that then perhaps you should lead the way by providing your > > > >relatively worthless service free of charge! > > > > <clip> > > > > Good God Rob. How can you, with any degree of integrity, question a > > > man who has had ALS in his family? How can you question a man's > > > dedication to his father with such a disease? Do you not have a > > > scintilla of embarrassment in being such a know-it-all? Are you > > > aware that you come off as a callous prick? > > > Easily (for him), easily again, no, and no. > > > > In short, this is one of the typical Frostback situations where > > > you're caught blowing wind and then attack the person who is much more > > > qualified than you in a subject. It never flies. > > > Next he will be telling us that he has published and attended > > conferences in the field of ALS. Just wait. > > It's truly incredible. I'd like to strangle him. Typical leftist! Kill people who disagree with you!
From: Dinosaur_Sr on 10 Mar 2010 10:59 On Mar 9, 10:51 pm, Carbon <nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote: > On Tue, 09 Mar 2010 19:13:08 -0700, Howard Brazee wrote: > > On 10 Mar 2010 00:00:19 GMT, Carbon <nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> > > wrote: > > >>> Here in the US we put laws into place so that people, like Billy > >>> Clark's father, with means would have to spend those means on > >>> themselves before they dipped into the community pot. > > >>Earth to Bert: William's father paid for his healthcare ahead of time, > >>with taxes. That's how it works in the rest of the first world. > > > Heck, that's how insurance works as well. We don't get exactly what > > we pay for, sometimes getting less, sometimes getting more. > > Healthcare in the US is an enormous, profit-based industry that has been > specifically exempted from antitrust oversight, with completely > predictable results. It's inefficient. Despite being the most expensive > healthcare system on the planet, it provides demonstrably poor outcomes > for patients. Really, so a person has cancer in the US vs a person has cancer in the UK. On average, what happens?
From: Dinosaur_Sr on 10 Mar 2010 11:00 On Mar 10, 8:13 am, BAR <sc...(a)you.com> wrote: > In article <a8a52a7c-38b3-40eb-a826- > 2ba0d4767...(a)q21g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>, johnb...(a)gmail.com says... > > > > > > > On Mar 9, 8:06 pm, William Clark <wcla...(a)colnospamumbus.rr.com> > > wrote: > > > In article <p5idp5looaunc3gkv7la2sls5k4m02o...(a)4ax.com>, > > > > bkni...(a)conramp.net wrote: > > > > On Tue, 9 Mar 2010 13:59:51 -0800 (PST), Dinosaur_Sr > > > > <frostback2...(a)att.net> wrote: > > > > <clip> > > > > >I am in no way sorry that I don't buy your sanctimonious BS. Some > > > > >nurse is just that. When one has a serious chronic, degenerative > > > > >disorder like ALS, a nurse is not qualified to deal with problems that > > > > >come up. You need a specialist MD, and if you don't know, and you > > > > >sound like you don't, ALS patients can have a variety of very serious > > > > >issues develop at any time. You need specialized, qualified people to > > > > >deal with this, and such care is in fact available in the US to > > > > >anyone...of course they have to pay for it...and if you have a problem > > > > >with that then perhaps you should lead the way by providing your > > > > >relatively worthless service free of charge! > > > > > <clip> > > > > > Good God Rob. How can you, with any degree of integrity, question a > > > > man who has had ALS in his family? How can you question a man's > > > > dedication to his father with such a disease? Do you not have a > > > > scintilla of embarrassment in being such a know-it-all? Are you > > > > aware that you come off as a callous prick? > > > > Easily (for him), easily again, no, and no. > > > > > In short, this is one of the typical Frostback situations where > > > > you're caught blowing wind and then attack the person who is much more > > > > qualified than you in a subject. It never flies. > > > > Next he will be telling us that he has published and attended > > > conferences in the field of ALS. Just wait. > > > It's truly incredible. I'd like to strangle him. > > Nice debating technique. Worked really well for Stalin!
From: Dinosaur_Sr on 10 Mar 2010 11:01
On Mar 10, 9:24 am, "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Mar 10, 8:13 am, BAR <sc...(a)you.com> wrote: > > > > > In article <a8a52a7c-38b3-40eb-a826- > > 2ba0d4767...(a)q21g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>, johnb...(a)gmail.com says... > > > > On Mar 9, 8:06 pm, William Clark <wcla...(a)colnospamumbus.rr.com> > > > wrote: > > > > In article <p5idp5looaunc3gkv7la2sls5k4m02o...(a)4ax.com>, > > > > > bkni...(a)conramp.net wrote: > > > > > On Tue, 9 Mar 2010 13:59:51 -0800 (PST), Dinosaur_Sr > > > > > <frostback2...(a)att.net> wrote: > > > > > <clip> > > > > > >I am in no way sorry that I don't buy your sanctimonious BS. Some > > > > > >nurse is just that. When one has a serious chronic, degenerative > > > > > >disorder like ALS, a nurse is not qualified to deal with problems that > > > > > >come up. You need a specialist MD, and if you don't know, and you > > > > > >sound like you don't, ALS patients can have a variety of very serious > > > > > >issues develop at any time. You need specialized, qualified people to > > > > > >deal with this, and such care is in fact available in the US to > > > > > >anyone...of course they have to pay for it...and if you have a problem > > > > > >with that then perhaps you should lead the way by providing your > > > > > >relatively worthless service free of charge! > > > > > > <clip> > > > > > > Good God Rob. How can you, with any degree of integrity, question a > > > > > man who has had ALS in his family? How can you question a man's > > > > > dedication to his father with such a disease? Do you not have a > > > > > scintilla of embarrassment in being such a know-it-all? Are you > > > > > aware that you come off as a callous prick? > > > > > Easily (for him), easily again, no, and no. > > > > > > In short, this is one of the typical Frostback situations where > > > > > you're caught blowing wind and then attack the person who is much more > > > > > qualified than you in a subject. It never flies. > > > > > Next he will be telling us that he has published and attended > > > > conferences in the field of ALS. Just wait. > > > > It's truly incredible. I'd like to strangle him. > > > Nice debating technique.- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > So, you're OK with him lecturing Bill and me about ALS when both our > parents died from it and when he knows nothing about it? I have not once made any sort of lecture about ALS. |