From: Dinosaur_Sr on
On Mar 9, 8:13 pm, William Clark <wcla...(a)colnospamumbus.rr.com>
wrote:
> In article <4b96e068$0$5119$9a6e1...(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>,
>
>
>
>  Carbon <nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
> > On Tue, 09 Mar 2010 14:01:24 -0800, Dinosaur_Sr wrote:
> > > On Mar 9, 3:57 pm, "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> On Mar 8, 2:51 pm, Dinosaur_Sr <frostback2...(a)att.net> wrote:
>
> > >>> Really? If I get ALS, I would want full time *CARE* in a care
> > >>> facility with expertise in the area. Someone to come and clean me up
> > >>> twice a day at home is pretty grim to me. "Home care" is
> > >>> substandard, cheapo care in cases like this, but it is where you
> > >>> have to go when the people have to support a useless, politicized
> > >>> govt bureaucracy and the cost of health care with the money they
> > >>> earn and spend on health care. FWIW, no need to support the
> > >>> insurance companies either, IMHO. If you can pay for a house or a
> > >>> car, you can pay for health care, and people who are too good to
> > >>> work can sleep in their own bed.
>
> > >> I find it absolutely astounding that you would purport to lecture
> > >> William or me about ALS.  He lost his father and I lost my mother to
> > >> it. Everything you've said here is bullshit. There is no such thing
> > >> as a full-time care facility with expertise in ALS. Home care is NOT
> > >> "cheapo," or substandard. You know absolutely nothing about this
> > >> disease, or about health care in general, and you'd be well-advised
> > >> to shut up about it.
>
> > > Rubbish. I've seen the home care scam up front and personal. They push
> > > you out of the hospital ASAP, barely conscious in some instances. Home
> > > care is an excuse for cut rate care, and the emotional rubbish thrown
> > > out to support it indicates a cynical, almost evil lack of compassion
> > > by the system.
>
> > How about you just admit that you have no idea about ALS care and we all
> > move on?
>
> Never happen,. He can never admit anything - even lying about publishing
> in materials science journals and attending materials science
> conferences.

It really is amazing how the fact that I have published in the area of
materials science, and attended conferences in that field bugs you.
From: Dinosaur_Sr on
On Mar 9, 8:25 pm, "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mar 9, 8:06 pm, William Clark <wcla...(a)colnospamumbus.rr.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > In article <p5idp5looaunc3gkv7la2sls5k4m02o...(a)4ax.com>,
>
> >  bkni...(a)conramp.net wrote:
> > > On Tue, 9 Mar 2010 13:59:51 -0800 (PST), Dinosaur_Sr
> > > <frostback2...(a)att.net> wrote:
> > > <clip>
> > > >I am in no way sorry that I don't buy your sanctimonious BS. Some
> > > >nurse is just that. When one has a serious chronic, degenerative
> > > >disorder like ALS, a nurse is not qualified to deal with problems that
> > > >come up. You need a specialist MD, and if you don't know, and you
> > > >sound like you don't, ALS patients can have a variety of very serious
> > > >issues develop at any time. You need specialized, qualified people to
> > > >deal with this, and such care is in fact available in the US to
> > > >anyone...of course they have to pay for it...and if you have a problem
> > > >with that then perhaps you should lead the way by providing your
> > > >relatively worthless service free of charge!
>
> > > <clip>
>
> > > Good God Rob.  How can you, with any degree of integrity, question a
> > > man who has had ALS in his family?  How can you question a man's
> > > dedication to his father with such a disease?  Do you not have a
> > > scintilla of embarrassment in being such a know-it-all?   Are you
> > > aware that you come off as a callous prick?
>
> > Easily (for him), easily again, no, and no.
>
> > > In short, this is one of the  typical Frostback  situations where
> > > you're caught blowing wind and then attack the person who is much more
> > > qualified than you in a subject.  It never flies.
>
> > Next he will be telling us that he has published and attended
> > conferences in the field of ALS. Just wait.
>
> It's truly incredible. I'd like to strangle him.

Typical leftist! Kill people who disagree with you!
From: Dinosaur_Sr on
On Mar 9, 10:51 pm, Carbon <nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 09 Mar 2010 19:13:08 -0700, Howard Brazee wrote:
> > On 10 Mar 2010 00:00:19 GMT, Carbon <nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com>
> > wrote:
>
> >>> Here in the US we put laws into place so that people, like Billy
> >>> Clark's father, with means would have to spend those means on
> >>> themselves before they dipped into the community pot.
>
> >>Earth to Bert: William's father paid for his healthcare ahead of time,
> >>with taxes. That's how it works in the rest of the first world.
>
> > Heck, that's how insurance works as well.   We don't get exactly what
> > we pay for, sometimes getting less, sometimes getting more.
>
> Healthcare in the US is an enormous, profit-based industry that has been
> specifically exempted from antitrust oversight, with completely
> predictable results. It's inefficient. Despite being the most expensive
> healthcare system on the planet, it provides demonstrably poor outcomes
> for patients.

Really, so a person has cancer in the US vs a person has cancer in the
UK. On average, what happens?
From: Dinosaur_Sr on
On Mar 10, 8:13 am, BAR <sc...(a)you.com> wrote:
> In article <a8a52a7c-38b3-40eb-a826-
> 2ba0d4767...(a)q21g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>, johnb...(a)gmail.com says...
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Mar 9, 8:06 pm, William Clark <wcla...(a)colnospamumbus.rr.com>
> > wrote:
> > > In article <p5idp5looaunc3gkv7la2sls5k4m02o...(a)4ax.com>,
>
> > >  bkni...(a)conramp.net wrote:
> > > > On Tue, 9 Mar 2010 13:59:51 -0800 (PST), Dinosaur_Sr
> > > > <frostback2...(a)att.net> wrote:
> > > > <clip>
> > > > >I am in no way sorry that I don't buy your sanctimonious BS. Some
> > > > >nurse is just that. When one has a serious chronic, degenerative
> > > > >disorder like ALS, a nurse is not qualified to deal with problems that
> > > > >come up. You need a specialist MD, and if you don't know, and you
> > > > >sound like you don't, ALS patients can have a variety of very serious
> > > > >issues develop at any time. You need specialized, qualified people to
> > > > >deal with this, and such care is in fact available in the US to
> > > > >anyone...of course they have to pay for it...and if you have a problem
> > > > >with that then perhaps you should lead the way by providing your
> > > > >relatively worthless service free of charge!
>
> > > > <clip>
>
> > > > Good God Rob.  How can you, with any degree of integrity, question a
> > > > man who has had ALS in his family?  How can you question a man's
> > > > dedication to his father with such a disease?  Do you not have a
> > > > scintilla of embarrassment in being such a know-it-all?   Are you
> > > > aware that you come off as a callous prick?
>
> > > Easily (for him), easily again, no, and no.
>
> > > > In short, this is one of the  typical Frostback  situations where
> > > > you're caught blowing wind and then attack the person who is much more
> > > > qualified than you in a subject.  It never flies.
>
> > > Next he will be telling us that he has published and attended
> > > conferences in the field of ALS. Just wait.
>
> > It's truly incredible. I'd like to strangle him.
>
> Nice debating technique.

Worked really well for Stalin!
From: Dinosaur_Sr on
On Mar 10, 9:24 am, "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mar 10, 8:13 am, BAR <sc...(a)you.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > In article <a8a52a7c-38b3-40eb-a826-
> > 2ba0d4767...(a)q21g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>, johnb...(a)gmail.com says...
>
> > > On Mar 9, 8:06 pm, William Clark <wcla...(a)colnospamumbus.rr.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > > In article <p5idp5looaunc3gkv7la2sls5k4m02o...(a)4ax.com>,
>
> > > >  bkni...(a)conramp.net wrote:
> > > > > On Tue, 9 Mar 2010 13:59:51 -0800 (PST), Dinosaur_Sr
> > > > > <frostback2...(a)att.net> wrote:
> > > > > <clip>
> > > > > >I am in no way sorry that I don't buy your sanctimonious BS. Some
> > > > > >nurse is just that. When one has a serious chronic, degenerative
> > > > > >disorder like ALS, a nurse is not qualified to deal with problems that
> > > > > >come up. You need a specialist MD, and if you don't know, and you
> > > > > >sound like you don't, ALS patients can have a variety of very serious
> > > > > >issues develop at any time. You need specialized, qualified people to
> > > > > >deal with this, and such care is in fact available in the US to
> > > > > >anyone...of course they have to pay for it...and if you have a problem
> > > > > >with that then perhaps you should lead the way by providing your
> > > > > >relatively worthless service free of charge!
>
> > > > > <clip>
>
> > > > > Good God Rob.  How can you, with any degree of integrity, question a
> > > > > man who has had ALS in his family?  How can you question a man's
> > > > > dedication to his father with such a disease?  Do you not have a
> > > > > scintilla of embarrassment in being such a know-it-all?   Are you
> > > > > aware that you come off as a callous prick?
>
> > > > Easily (for him), easily again, no, and no.
>
> > > > > In short, this is one of the  typical Frostback  situations where
> > > > > you're caught blowing wind and then attack the person who is much more
> > > > > qualified than you in a subject.  It never flies.
>
> > > > Next he will be telling us that he has published and attended
> > > > conferences in the field of ALS. Just wait.
>
> > > It's truly incredible. I'd like to strangle him.
>
> > Nice debating technique.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> So, you're OK with him lecturing Bill and me about ALS  when both our
> parents died from it and when he knows nothing about it?

I have not once made any sort of lecture about ALS.