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From: Dinosaur_Sr on 10 Mar 2010 11:01 On Mar 10, 9:33 am, bkni...(a)conramp.net wrote: > On Wed, 10 Mar 2010 07:58:42 -0500, BAR <sc...(a)you.com> wrote: > >In article <i3jcp5dsccn4ake2u7vil3j2bqiicpg...(a)4ax.com>, > >bkni...(a)conramp.net says... > >> You and Rob should hope that nothing like what Clark's, or John B's > >> families experienced will never happen to yours. If it did I doubt > >> that he would make political use of it here. > > >Let's see, undiagnosed esophageal cancer, Colon cancer, Lymphoma, Breast > >cancer requiring a radical bi-lateral mastectomy. And we, my sisters and > >I, all have the genes that produce blood clots, got that from both > >parents. And this is just my parents and siblings. If you want to talk > >about Alzheimer's and the devastating effects that has on people lets > >get started. > > No you idiot, let's NOT get started. I guarantee you that neither > Clark nor John wilt make political hay out of your family's problems, > nor be callous enough to suggest that you may have made mistakes in > their treatment. > > > > >Everyone's families experience hardships and setbacks. It's how you > >choose to deal with them that is at issue. Singling out a specific > >illness or diseases is just the desire of someone to sit on the pity- > >potty for a while. > > Have you no shame???? Leave remarks about family out of these posts. > > BK Don't bring them up then.
From: William Clark on 10 Mar 2010 11:30 In article <fe369845-c688-43d3-8cb7-08f72dc9f4d0(a)u9g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>, Dinosaur_Sr <frostback2002(a)att.net> wrote: > On Mar 9, 10:51�pm, Carbon <nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote: > > On Tue, 09 Mar 2010 19:13:08 -0700, Howard Brazee wrote: > > > On 10 Mar 2010 00:00:19 GMT, Carbon <nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> > > > wrote: > > > > >>> Here in the US we put laws into place so that people, like Billy > > >>> Clark's father, with means would have to spend those means on > > >>> themselves before they dipped into the community pot. > > > > >>Earth to Bert: William's father paid for his healthcare ahead of time, > > >>with taxes. That's how it works in the rest of the first world. > > > > > Heck, that's how insurance works as well. � We don't get exactly what > > > we pay for, sometimes getting less, sometimes getting more. > > > > Healthcare in the US is an enormous, profit-based industry that has been > > specifically exempted from antitrust oversight, with completely > > predictable results. It's inefficient. Despite being the most expensive > > healthcare system on the planet, it provides demonstrably poor outcomes > > for patients. > > Really, so a person has cancer in the US vs a person has cancer in the > UK. On average, what happens? Their chances are survival are pretty much the same. The life expectancy of a person in the US is shorter, though.
From: William Clark on 10 Mar 2010 11:32 In article <b0491635-a081-4557-be8c-0d9030af3d0e(a)i25g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>, Dinosaur_Sr <frostback2002(a)att.net> wrote: > On Mar 10, 9:33�am, bkni...(a)conramp.net wrote: > > On Wed, 10 Mar 2010 07:58:42 -0500, BAR <sc...(a)you.com> wrote: > > >In article <i3jcp5dsccn4ake2u7vil3j2bqiicpg...(a)4ax.com>, > > >bkni...(a)conramp.net says... > > >> You and Rob should hope that nothing like what Clark's, or John B's > > >> families experienced will never happen to yours. �If it did I doubt > > >> that he would make political use of it here. > > > > >Let's see, undiagnosed esophageal cancer, Colon cancer, Lymphoma, Breast > > >cancer requiring a radical bi-lateral mastectomy. And we, my sisters and > > >I, all have the genes that produce blood clots, got that from both > > >parents. �And this is just my parents and siblings. If you want to talk > > >about Alzheimer's and the devastating effects that has on people lets > > >get started. > > > > No you idiot, let's NOT get started. �I guarantee you that neither > > Clark nor John wilt make political hay out of your family's problems, > > nor be callous enough to suggest that you may have made mistakes in > > their treatment. > > > > > > > > >Everyone's families experience hardships and setbacks. It's how you > > >choose to deal with them that is at issue. Singling out a specific > > >illness or diseases is just the desire of someone to sit on the pity- > > >potty for a while. > > > > Have you no shame???? �Leave remarks about family out of these posts. > > > > BK > > Don't bring them up then. There we go - the wingnut blame game again.
From: William Clark on 10 Mar 2010 11:34 In article <3299ea08-3513-449c-b660-e350496bd766(a)t41g2000yqt.googlegroups.com>, Dinosaur_Sr <frostback2002(a)att.net> wrote: > On Mar 9, 8:25�pm, "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > On Mar 9, 8:06�pm, William Clark <wcla...(a)colnospamumbus.rr.com> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > In article <p5idp5looaunc3gkv7la2sls5k4m02o...(a)4ax.com>, > > > > > �bkni...(a)conramp.net wrote: > > > > On Tue, 9 Mar 2010 13:59:51 -0800 (PST), Dinosaur Sr > > > > <frostback2...(a)att.net> wrote: > > > > <clip> > > > > >I am in no way sorry that I don't buy your sanctimonious BS. Some > > > > >nurse is just that. When one has a serious chronic, degenerative > > > > >disorder like ALS, a nurse is not qualified to deal with problems that > > > > >come up. You need a specialist MD, and if you don't know, and you > > > > >sound like you don't, ALS patients can have a variety of very serious > > > > >issues develop at any time. You need specialized, qualified people to > > > > >deal with this, and such care is in fact available in the US to > > > > >anyone...of course they have to pay for it...and if you have a problem > > > > >with that then perhaps you should lead the way by providing your > > > > >relatively worthless service free of charge! > > > > > > <clip> > > > > > > Good God Rob. �How can you, with any degree of integrity, question a > > > > man who has had ALS in his family? �How can you question a man's > > > > dedication to his father with such a disease? �Do you not have a > > > > scintilla of embarrassment in being such a know-it-all? � Are you > > > > aware that you come off as a callous prick? > > > > > Easily (for him), easily again, no, and no. > > > > > > In short, this is one of the �typical Frostback �situations where > > > > you're caught blowing wind and then attack the person who is much more > > > > qualified than you in a subject. �It never flies. > > > > > Next he will be telling us that he has published and attended > > > conferences in the field of ALS. Just wait. > > > > It's truly incredible. I'd like to strangle him. > > Typical leftist! Kill people who disagree with you! As opposed to you wingnuts, who favor letting them die in the streets?
From: William Clark on 10 Mar 2010 11:36
In article <ca87b3b0-fc1b-4fff-98d4-ed27c946fabb(a)u9g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>, Dinosaur_Sr <frostback2002(a)att.net> wrote: > On Mar 9, 8:06�pm, William Clark <wcla...(a)colnospamumbus.rr.com> > wrote: > > In article <p5idp5looaunc3gkv7la2sls5k4m02o...(a)4ax.com>, > > > > > > > > �bkni...(a)conramp.net wrote: > > > On Tue, 9 Mar 2010 13:59:51 -0800 (PST), Dinosaur Sr > > > <frostback2...(a)att.net> wrote: > > > <clip> > > > >I am in no way sorry that I don't buy your sanctimonious BS. Some > > > >nurse is just that. When one has a serious chronic, degenerative > > > >disorder like ALS, a nurse is not qualified to deal with problems that > > > >come up. You need a specialist MD, and if you don't know, and you > > > >sound like you don't, ALS patients can have a variety of very serious > > > >issues develop at any time. You need specialized, qualified people to > > > >deal with this, and such care is in fact available in the US to > > > >anyone...of course they have to pay for it...and if you have a problem > > > >with that then perhaps you should lead the way by providing your > > > >relatively worthless service free of charge! > > > > > <clip> > > > > > Good God Rob. �How can you, with any degree of integrity, question a > > > man who has had ALS in his family? �How can you question a man's > > > dedication to his father with such a disease? �Do you not have a > > > scintilla of embarrassment in being such a know-it-all? � Are you > > > aware that you come off as a callous prick? > > > > Easily (for him), easily again, no, and no. > > > > > > > > > In short, this is one of the �typical Frostback �situations where > > > you're caught blowing wind and then attack the person who is much more > > > qualified than you in a subject. �It never flies. > > > > Next he will be telling us that he has published and attended > > conferences in the field of ALS. Just wait. > > You are not qualified, so who is this other person who is more > qualified? What you know about genetic disorders could be written on > the head of a pin with a crayon. Alongside everything you know about materials science and major universities. There should be plenty of room. |