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From: BAR on 11 Mar 2010 07:12 In article <clark-393C7E.11341410032010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio- state.edu>, clark(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio-state.edu says... > > In article > <3299ea08-3513-449c-b660-e350496bd766(a)t41g2000yqt.googlegroups.com>, > Dinosaur_Sr <frostback2002(a)att.net> wrote: > > > On Mar 9, 8:25�pm, "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Mar 9, 8:06�pm, William Clark <wcla...(a)colnospamumbus.rr.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > In article <p5idp5looaunc3gkv7la2sls5k4m02o...(a)4ax.com>, > > > > > > > �bkni...(a)conramp.net wrote: > > > > > On Tue, 9 Mar 2010 13:59:51 -0800 (PST), Dinosaur Sr > > > > > <frostback2...(a)att.net> wrote: > > > > > <clip> > > > > > >I am in no way sorry that I don't buy your sanctimonious BS. Some > > > > > >nurse is just that. When one has a serious chronic, degenerative > > > > > >disorder like ALS, a nurse is not qualified to deal with problems that > > > > > >come up. You need a specialist MD, and if you don't know, and you > > > > > >sound like you don't, ALS patients can have a variety of very serious > > > > > >issues develop at any time. You need specialized, qualified people to > > > > > >deal with this, and such care is in fact available in the US to > > > > > >anyone...of course they have to pay for it...and if you have a problem > > > > > >with that then perhaps you should lead the way by providing your > > > > > >relatively worthless service free of charge! > > > > > > > > <clip> > > > > > > > > Good God Rob. �How can you, with any degree of integrity, question a > > > > > man who has had ALS in his family? �How can you question a man's > > > > > dedication to his father with such a disease? �Do you not have a > > > > > scintilla of embarrassment in being such a know-it-all? � Are you > > > > > aware that you come off as a callous prick? > > > > > > > Easily (for him), easily again, no, and no. > > > > > > > > In short, this is one of the �typical Frostback �situations where > > > > > you're caught blowing wind and then attack the person who is much more > > > > > qualified than you in a subject. �It never flies. > > > > > > > Next he will be telling us that he has published and attended > > > > conferences in the field of ALS. Just wait. > > > > > > It's truly incredible. I'd like to strangle him. > > > > Typical leftist! Kill people who disagree with you! > > As opposed to you wingnuts, who favor letting them die in the streets? One is a choice, the other is an act of murder.
From: BAR on 11 Mar 2010 07:17 In article <4b9838ac$0$4955$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says... > > On Wed, 10 Mar 2010 07:59:58 -0800, Dinosaur_Sr wrote: > > On Mar 9, 10:51�pm, Carbon <nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote: > >> On Tue, 09 Mar 2010 19:13:08 -0700, Howard Brazee wrote: > >>> On 10 Mar 2010 00:00:19 GMT, Carbon <nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Earth to Bert: William's father paid for his healthcare ahead of > >>>> time, with taxes. That's how it works in the rest of the first > >>>> world. > >>> > >>> Heck, that's how insurance works as well. � We don't get exactly > >>> what we pay for, sometimes getting less, sometimes getting more. > >> > >> Healthcare in the US is an enormous, profit-based industry that has > >> been specifically exempted from antitrust oversight, with completely > >> predictable results. It's inefficient. Despite being the most > >> expensive healthcare system on the planet, it provides demonstrably > >> poor outcomes for patients. > > > > Really, so a person has cancer in the US vs a person has cancer in the > > UK. On average, what happens? > > Treatment in the US costs way more. Because you are more likely to survive in the US than you are in the UK. My mother is coming up on 15 years clear of non-hodgkins lymphoma. Immediate and aggressive treatment when it was discovered was the biggest contributing factor to her survival.
From: BAR on 11 Mar 2010 07:33 In article <4b98380c$0$4955$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says... > > On Wed, 10 Mar 2010 08:13:13 -0500, BAR wrote: > > In article <p5idp5looaunc3gkv7la2sls5k4m02ovhc(a)4ax.com>, > > bknight(a)conramp.net says... > >> On Tue, 9 Mar 2010 13:59:51 -0800 (PST), Dinosaur_Sr > >> <frostback2002(a)att.net> wrote: > >> > >>> I am in no way sorry that I don't buy your sanctimonious BS. Some > >>> nurse is just that. When one has a serious chronic, degenerative > >>> disorder like ALS, a nurse is not qualified to deal with problems > >>> that come up. You need a specialist MD, and if you don't know, and > >>> you sound like you don't, ALS patients can have a variety of very > >>> serious issues develop at any time. You need specialized, qualified > >>> people to deal with this, and such care is in fact available in the > >>> US to anyone...of course they have to pay for it...and if you have a > >>> problem with that then perhaps you should lead the way by providing > >>> your relatively worthless service free of charge! > >> > >> Good God Rob. How can you, with any degree of integrity, question a > >> man who has had ALS in his family? How can you question a man's > >> dedication to his father with such a disease? Do you not have a > >> scintilla of embarrassment in being such a know-it-all? Are you > >> aware that you come off as a callous prick? > > > > I stubbed my toe once and it bleed real bad. Big freaking deal. Does > > it matter whether it was ALS or Alzheimer's or any other seriously > > debilitating disease? > > If someone in your family came down with ALS or Alzheimer's you would > see things very differently, I can assure you. I'm surprised at your > shallowness. I watched my grandmother's mental capacity deteriorate from Alzheimer's until she finally died. It took about 4 years. In that time it was difficult to see her ability to recognize her grandchildren float away and then it was really hard on her daughters when she didn't recognize them any more. The only person she recognized was her little sister, 4 years younger than her. But, she had enough resources that she could stay in her home for as long as possible and when that wasn't possible anymore she moved into a facility that had an Alzheimer's wing. During this entire time she didn't rely upon the government to pay for any of her health care, the costs all came out of her pocket. Do you want to talk about my other grandparents and their illnesses? Do you want to talk about my parents and their illnesses? It is really amazing the hell that my family has been through medically speaking. It seems that we just don't slip away in the middle of the night from old age.
From: BAR on 11 Mar 2010 07:36 In article <01bfp5lrgg2sdmnki7ns3htvo1hoaoc91p(a)4ax.com>, bknight(a)conramp.net says... > > On Wed, 10 Mar 2010 07:58:42 -0500, BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote: > > >In article <i3jcp5dsccn4ake2u7vil3j2bqiicpg10c(a)4ax.com>, > >bknight(a)conramp.net says... > > >> You and Rob should hope that nothing like what Clark's, or John B's > >> families experienced will never happen to yours. If it did I doubt > >> that he would make political use of it here. > > > >Let's see, undiagnosed esophageal cancer, Colon cancer, Lymphoma, Breast > >cancer requiring a radical bi-lateral mastectomy. And we, my sisters and > >I, all have the genes that produce blood clots, got that from both > >parents. And this is just my parents and siblings. If you want to talk > >about Alzheimer's and the devastating effects that has on people lets > >get started. > > No you idiot, let's NOT get started. I guarantee you that neither > Clark nor John wilt make political hay out of your family's problems, > nor be callous enough to suggest that you may have made mistakes in > their treatment. > > > >Everyone's families experience hardships and setbacks. It's how you > >choose to deal with them that is at issue. Singling out a specific > >illness or diseases is just the desire of someone to sit on the pity- > >potty for a while. > > Have you no shame???? Leave remarks about family out of these posts. Stop whining. Clark was using his father's situation to show how good the NHS system in the UK is and he and you are upset that some of us didn't just sit around and keep our mouths shut. If you are going to bring your family in to support your argument, as Clark did, then you had better have the constitutional fortitude to take some heat on the issue.
From: BAR on 11 Mar 2010 07:37
In article <clark-DAE82A.09420010032010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio- state.edu>, clark(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio-state.edu says... > > In article <01bfp5lrgg2sdmnki7ns3htvo1hoaoc91p(a)4ax.com>, > bknight(a)conramp.net wrote: > > > On Wed, 10 Mar 2010 07:58:42 -0500, BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote: > > > > >In article <i3jcp5dsccn4ake2u7vil3j2bqiicpg10c(a)4ax.com>, > > >bknight(a)conramp.net says... > > > > >> You and Rob should hope that nothing like what Clark's, or John B's > > >> families experienced will never happen to yours. If it did I doubt > > >> that he would make political use of it here. > > > > > >Let's see, undiagnosed esophageal cancer, Colon cancer, Lymphoma, Breast > > >cancer requiring a radical bi-lateral mastectomy. And we, my sisters and > > >I, all have the genes that produce blood clots, got that from both > > >parents. And this is just my parents and siblings. If you want to talk > > >about Alzheimer's and the devastating effects that has on people lets > > >get started. > > > > No you idiot, let's NOT get started. I guarantee you that neither > > Clark nor John wilt make political hay out of your family's problems, > > nor be callous enough to suggest that you may have made mistakes in > > their treatment. > > > > > >Everyone's families experience hardships and setbacks. It's how you > > >choose to deal with them that is at issue. Singling out a specific > > >illness or diseases is just the desire of someone to sit on the pity- > > >potty for a while. > > > > Have you no shame???? Leave remarks about family out of these posts. > > > > BK > > It's OK - the filters are on for anything these zealots post. You do not have the discipline to use filters. |