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From: BAR on 11 Mar 2010 07:41 In article <4b983556$0$4982$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says... > > On Wed, 10 Mar 2010 07:44:14 -0800, Dinosaur_Sr wrote: > > On Mar 9, 6:57�pm, Carbon <nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote: > >> On Tue, 09 Mar 2010 14:01:24 -0800, Dinosaur_Sr wrote: > >>> On Mar 9, 3:57�pm, "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >>>> On Mar 8, 2:51�pm, Dinosaur_Sr <frostback2...(a)att.net> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Really? If I get ALS, I would want full time *CARE* in a care > >>>>> facility with expertise in the area. Someone to come and clean me > >>>>> up twice a day at home is pretty grim to me. "Home care" is > >>>>> substandard, cheapo care in cases like this, but it is where you > >>>>> have to go when the people have to support a useless, politicized > >>>>> govt bureaucracy and the cost of health care with the money they > >>>>> earn and spend on health care. FWIW, no need to support the > >>>>> insurance companies either, IMHO. If you can pay for a house or a > >>>>> car, you can pay for health care, and people who are too good to > >>>>> work can sleep in their own bed. > >>>> > >>>> I find it absolutely astounding that you would purport to lecture > >>>> William or me about ALS. �He lost his father and I lost my mother > >>>> to it. Everything you've said here is bullshit. There is no such > >>>> thing as a full-time care facility with expertise in ALS. Home care > >>>> is NOT "cheapo," or substandard. You know absolutely nothing about > >>>> this disease, or about health care in general, and you'd be > >>>> well-advised to shut up about it. > >>> > >>> Rubbish. I've seen the home care scam up front and personal. They > >>> push you out of the hospital ASAP, barely conscious in some > >>> instances. Home care is an excuse for cut rate care, and the > >>> emotional rubbish thrown out to support it indicates a cynical, > >>> almost evil lack of compassion by the system. > >> > >> How about you just admit that you have no idea about ALS care and we > >> all move on? > > > > I see, you have no reply to my post, so you make some unrelated > > comment. Enjoy your home care! You deserve it! And if you have to > > wait 8 hours for someone to come and empty your bedpan remember, it's > > what you wanted! > > Two people in this thread have had one of their parents die of a > horrible degenerative disease. What is wrong with you? My father died of a horrible degenerative disease.
From: William Clark on 11 Mar 2010 08:23 In article <MPG.2602a95c64f7bb1a989cc7(a)news.giganews.com>, BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote: > In article <4b9838ac$0$4955$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, > nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says... > > > > On Wed, 10 Mar 2010 07:59:58 -0800, Dinosaur_Sr wrote: > > > On Mar 9, 10:51�pm, Carbon <nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote: > > >> On Tue, 09 Mar 2010 19:13:08 -0700, Howard Brazee wrote: > > >>> On 10 Mar 2010 00:00:19 GMT, Carbon <nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> > > >>> wrote: > > >>> > > >>>> Earth to Bert: William's father paid for his healthcare ahead of > > >>>> time, with taxes. That's how it works in the rest of the first > > >>>> world. > > >>> > > >>> Heck, that's how insurance works as well. � We don't get exactly > > >>> what we pay for, sometimes getting less, sometimes getting more. > > >> > > >> Healthcare in the US is an enormous, profit-based industry that has > > >> been specifically exempted from antitrust oversight, with completely > > >> predictable results. It's inefficient. Despite being the most > > >> expensive healthcare system on the planet, it provides demonstrably > > >> poor outcomes for patients. > > > > > > Really, so a person has cancer in the US vs a person has cancer in the > > > UK. On average, what happens? > > > > Treatment in the US costs way more. > > Because you are more likely to survive in the US than you are in the UK. > My mother is coming up on 15 years clear of non-hodgkins lymphoma. > Immediate and aggressive treatment when it was discovered was the > biggest contributing factor to her survival. a) That depends on the type of cancer, and b) try Scandinavia. But they still live longer in the UK and Europe.
From: William Clark on 11 Mar 2010 08:26 In article <MPG.2602add8493f473a989cca(a)news.giganews.com>, BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote: > In article <01bfp5lrgg2sdmnki7ns3htvo1hoaoc91p(a)4ax.com>, > bknight(a)conramp.net says... > > > > On Wed, 10 Mar 2010 07:58:42 -0500, BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote: > > > > >In article <i3jcp5dsccn4ake2u7vil3j2bqiicpg10c(a)4ax.com>, > > >bknight(a)conramp.net says... > > > > >> You and Rob should hope that nothing like what Clark's, or John B's > > >> families experienced will never happen to yours. If it did I doubt > > >> that he would make political use of it here. > > > > > >Let's see, undiagnosed esophageal cancer, Colon cancer, Lymphoma, Breast > > >cancer requiring a radical bi-lateral mastectomy. And we, my sisters and > > >I, all have the genes that produce blood clots, got that from both > > >parents. And this is just my parents and siblings. If you want to talk > > >about Alzheimer's and the devastating effects that has on people lets > > >get started. > > > > No you idiot, let's NOT get started. I guarantee you that neither > > Clark nor John wilt make political hay out of your family's problems, > > nor be callous enough to suggest that you may have made mistakes in > > their treatment. > > > > > >Everyone's families experience hardships and setbacks. It's how you > > >choose to deal with them that is at issue. Singling out a specific > > >illness or diseases is just the desire of someone to sit on the pity- > > >potty for a while. > > > > Have you no shame???? Leave remarks about family out of these posts. > > Stop whining. > > Clark was using his father's situation to show how good the NHS system > in the UK is and he and you are upset that some of us didn't just sit > around and keep our mouths shut. If you are going to bring your family > in to support your argument, as Clark did, then you had better have the > constitutional fortitude to take some heat on the issue. Well, the difference is that I related first hand experience of how the NHS treated my father and family, and you and Dino are simply making things up off the top of your head, because you don't like the implications of the story. The fact that it was my family, as opposed o any family that I was familiar with, is irrelevant, but I understand that you wingnuts need to deflect the facts of the case into some kind of personalized assault. As John says, you have no shame.
From: William Clark on 11 Mar 2010 08:27 In article <MPG.2602ae08520f8a00989ccb(a)news.giganews.com>, BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote: > In article <clark-DAE82A.09420010032010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio- > state.edu>, clark(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio-state.edu says... > > > > In article <01bfp5lrgg2sdmnki7ns3htvo1hoaoc91p(a)4ax.com>, > > bknight(a)conramp.net wrote: > > > > > On Wed, 10 Mar 2010 07:58:42 -0500, BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote: > > > > > > >In article <i3jcp5dsccn4ake2u7vil3j2bqiicpg10c(a)4ax.com>, > > > >bknight(a)conramp.net says... > > > > > > >> You and Rob should hope that nothing like what Clark's, or John B's > > > >> families experienced will never happen to yours. If it did I doubt > > > >> that he would make political use of it here. > > > > > > > >Let's see, undiagnosed esophageal cancer, Colon cancer, Lymphoma, Breast > > > >cancer requiring a radical bi-lateral mastectomy. And we, my sisters and > > > >I, all have the genes that produce blood clots, got that from both > > > >parents. And this is just my parents and siblings. If you want to talk > > > >about Alzheimer's and the devastating effects that has on people lets > > > >get started. > > > > > > No you idiot, let's NOT get started. I guarantee you that neither > > > Clark nor John wilt make political hay out of your family's problems, > > > nor be callous enough to suggest that you may have made mistakes in > > > their treatment. > > > > > > > >Everyone's families experience hardships and setbacks. It's how you > > > >choose to deal with them that is at issue. Singling out a specific > > > >illness or diseases is just the desire of someone to sit on the pity- > > > >potty for a while. > > > > > > Have you no shame???? Leave remarks about family out of these posts. > > > > > > BK > > > > It's OK - the filters are on for anything these zealots post. > > You do not have the discipline to use filters. And you don't have the IQ to figure out when you are embarrassing yourself in public.
From: William Clark on 11 Mar 2010 08:30
In article <MPG.2602a8247c71bd45989cc6(a)news.giganews.com>, BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote: > In article <clark-393C7E.11341410032010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio- > state.edu>, clark(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio-state.edu says... > > > > In article > > <3299ea08-3513-449c-b660-e350496bd766(a)t41g2000yqt.googlegroups.com>, > > Dinosaur_Sr <frostback2002(a)att.net> wrote: > > > > > On Mar 9, 8:25�pm, "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Mar 9, 8:06�pm, William Clark <wcla...(a)colnospamumbus.rr.com> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In article <p5idp5looaunc3gkv7la2sls5k4m02o...(a)4ax.com>, > > > > > > > > > �bkni...(a)conramp.net wrote: > > > > > > On Tue, 9 Mar 2010 13:59:51 -0800 (PST), Dinosaur Sr > > > > > > <frostback2...(a)att.net> wrote: > > > > > > <clip> > > > > > > >I am in no way sorry that I don't buy your sanctimonious BS. Some > > > > > > >nurse is just that. When one has a serious chronic, degenerative > > > > > > >disorder like ALS, a nurse is not qualified to deal with problems > > > > > > >that > > > > > > >come up. You need a specialist MD, and if you don't know, and you > > > > > > >sound like you don't, ALS patients can have a variety of very > > > > > > >serious > > > > > > >issues develop at any time. You need specialized, qualified people > > > > > > >to > > > > > > >deal with this, and such care is in fact available in the US to > > > > > > >anyone...of course they have to pay for it...and if you have a > > > > > > >problem > > > > > > >with that then perhaps you should lead the way by providing your > > > > > > >relatively worthless service free of charge! > > > > > > > > > > <clip> > > > > > > > > > > Good God Rob. �How can you, with any degree of integrity, question > > > > > > a > > > > > > man who has had ALS in his family? �How can you question a man's > > > > > > dedication to his father with such a disease? �Do you not have a > > > > > > scintilla of embarrassment in being such a know-it-all? � Are you > > > > > > aware that you come off as a callous prick? > > > > > > > > > Easily (for him), easily again, no, and no. > > > > > > > > > > In short, this is one of the �typical Frostback �situations where > > > > > > you're caught blowing wind and then attack the person who is much > > > > > > more > > > > > > qualified than you in a subject. �It never flies. > > > > > > > > > Next he will be telling us that he has published and attended > > > > > conferences in the field of ALS. Just wait. > > > > > > > > It's truly incredible. I'd like to strangle him. > > > > > > Typical leftist! Kill people who disagree with you! > > > > As opposed to you wingnuts, who favor letting them die in the streets? > > One is a choice, the other is an act of murder. Indeed, allowing the indigent sick to die is an act of murder. |