From: Dinosaur_Sr on 11 Mar 2010 14:00
On Mar 10, 7:26 pm, Carbon <nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 10 Mar 2010 07:59:58 -0800, Dinosaur_Sr wrote:
> > On Mar 9, 10:51 pm, Carbon <nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
> >> On Tue, 09 Mar 2010 19:13:08 -0700, Howard Brazee wrote:
> >>> On 10 Mar 2010 00:00:19 GMT, Carbon <nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>> Earth to Bert: William's father paid for his healthcare ahead of
> >>>> time, with taxes. That's how it works in the rest of the first
> >>>> world.
> >>> Heck, that's how insurance works as well. We don't get exactly
> >>> what we pay for, sometimes getting less, sometimes getting more.
> >> Healthcare in the US is an enormous, profit-based industry that has
> >> been specifically exempted from antitrust oversight, with completely
> >> predictable results. It's inefficient. Despite being the most
> >> expensive healthcare system on the planet, it provides demonstrably
> >> poor outcomes for patients.
> > Really, so a person has cancer in the US vs a person has cancer in the
> > UK. On average, what happens?
> Treatment in the US costs way more.
It does? How so? The total cost of health care in the UK, including
all associated government, and the cost of equivalent treatment in the
US. What's it cost to have a nurse come by twice a day, and how much
is spent by the UK government to support that? I could just pay a
nurse vs having the government decide that's what I need and then
provide the care. I just can't see how it can in any way be cheaper to
have the govt. do it.
From: William Clark on 11 Mar 2010 14:04
Dinosaur_Sr <frostback(a)dukesofbiohazard.com> wrote:
> On Mar 10, 7:12�pm, Carbon <nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
> > On Wed, 10 Mar 2010 07:44:14 -0800, Dinosaur Sr wrote:
> > > On Mar 9, 6:57�pm, Carbon <nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
> > >> On Tue, 09 Mar 2010 14:01:24 -0800, Dinosaur Sr wrote:
> > >>> On Mar 9, 3:57�pm, "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>> On Mar 8, 2:51�pm, Dinosaur Sr <frostback2...(a)att.net> wrote:
> > >>>>> Really? If I get ALS, I would want full time *CARE* in a care
> > >>>>> facility with expertise in the area. Someone to come and clean me
> > >>>>> up twice a day at home is pretty grim to me. "Home care" is
> > >>>>> substandard, cheapo care in cases like this, but it is where you
> > >>>>> have to go when the people have to support a useless, politicized
> > >>>>> govt bureaucracy and the cost of health care with the money they
> > >>>>> earn and spend on health care. FWIW, no need to support the
> > >>>>> insurance companies either, IMHO. If you can pay for a house or a
> > >>>>> car, you can pay for health care, and people who are too good to
> > >>>>> work can sleep in their own bed.
> > >>>> I find it absolutely astounding that you would purport to lecture
> > >>>> William or me about ALS. �He lost his father and I lost my mother
> > >>>> to it. Everything you've said here is bullshit. There is no such
> > >>>> thing as a full-time care facility with expertise in ALS. Home care
> > >>>> is NOT "cheapo," or substandard. You know absolutely nothing about
> > >>>> this disease, or about health care in general, and you'd be
> > >>>> well-advised to shut up about it.
> > >>> Rubbish. I've seen the home care scam up front and personal. They
> > >>> push you out of the hospital ASAP, barely conscious in some
> > >>> instances. Home care is an excuse for cut rate care, and the
> > >>> emotional rubbish thrown out to support it indicates a cynical,
> > >>> almost evil lack of compassion by the system.
> > >> How about you just admit that you have no idea about ALS care and we
> > >> all move on?
> > > I see, you have no reply to my post, so you make some unrelated
> > > comment. �Enjoy your home care! You deserve it! And if you have to
> > > wait 8 hours for someone to come and empty your bedpan remember, it's
> > > what you wanted!
> > Two people in this thread have had one of their parents die of a
> > horrible degenerative disease. What is wrong with you?
> I missed something. Someone raises an issue and I respond. Something
> wrong with that? The issue is quality of care, and clearly the
> American got better care than the Brit.
Actually, you missed a lot. And CLEARLY, you don't have a clue about the
relative level of care that these ALS sufferers received, because you
are so totally pig ignorant on the details.
But don't let any of that stand between you and your overwhelming
bigotry, though. Not that it ever has.
From: Dinosaur_Sr on 11 Mar 2010 14:03
On Mar 10, 9:07 pm, William Clark <wcla...(a)colnospamumbus.rr.com>
> The moronic witterings of one totally ignorant of their thesis - no
> wonder you are not at a major university. You know, go get ALS, spend a
> $1M on care for your selfish little self, and you will live not one day
> longer. You family will be saddled with the cost for years to come,
It is far more selfish to expect other people to pay for it. You use
your assets to pay for your health care. That's unselfish. Telling
society at large they have to pay for you is beyond selfish, it's
boorish and arrogant.
From: William Clark on 11 Mar 2010 14:06
In article <hnarmn$itd$1(a)speranza.aioe.org>,
"Moderate" <no_spam_(a)no_mail.com> wrote:
> "William Clark" <clark(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio-state.edu> wrote in message
> > In article
> > <313fa0fa-39c4-4467-b4af-4829bd6426d3(a)d2g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>,
> > Never heard of BUPA? Christ, you are ignorant. Margaret Thatcher spent
> > eight years trying to fluff up the private medicine sector in the UK.
> > You are perfectly entitled in the UK to waste your money on buying
> > health care that you are entitled to at no cost, if you so choose.
> I have heard of FUPA.
You have heard of something, then. That represents a major step forward
From: Dinosaur_Sr on 11 Mar 2010 14:07
On Mar 11, 9:13 am, "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mar 11, 7:36 am, BAR <sc...(a)you.com> wrote:
> > In article <01bfp5lrgg2sdmnki7ns3htvo1hoaoc...(a)4ax.com>,
> > bkni...(a)conramp.net says...
> > > On Wed, 10 Mar 2010 07:58:42 -0500, BAR <sc...(a)you.com> wrote:
> > > >In article <i3jcp5dsccn4ake2u7vil3j2bqiicpg...(a)4ax.com>,
> > > >bkni...(a)conramp.net says...
> > > >> You and Rob should hope that nothing like what Clark's, or John B's
> > > >> families experienced will never happen to yours. If it did I doubt
> > > >> that he would make political use of it here.
> > > >Let's see, undiagnosed esophageal cancer, Colon cancer, Lymphoma, Breast
> > > >cancer requiring a radical bi-lateral mastectomy. And we, my sisters and
> > > >I, all have the genes that produce blood clots, got that from both
> > > >parents. And this is just my parents and siblings. If you want to talk
> > > >about Alzheimer's and the devastating effects that has on people lets
> > > >get started.
> > > No you idiot, let's NOT get started. I guarantee you that neither
> > > Clark nor John wilt make political hay out of your family's problems,
> > > nor be callous enough to suggest that you may have made mistakes in
> > > their treatment.
> > > >Everyone's families experience hardships and setbacks. It's how you
> > > >choose to deal with them that is at issue. Singling out a specific
> > > >illness or diseases is just the desire of someone to sit on the pity-
> > > >potty for a while.
> > > Have you no shame???? Leave remarks about family out of these posts.
> > Stop whining.
> > Clark was using his father's situation to show how good the NHS system
> > in the UK is and he and you are upset that some of us didn't just sit
> > around and keep our mouths shut. If you are going to bring your family
> > in to support your argument, as Clark did, then you had better have the
> > constitutional fortitude to take some heat on the issue.- Hide quoted text -
> > - Show quoted text -
> I'm sure both Bill and I would be happy to take heat from someone with
> something intelligent to say. What we got was total bullshit from an
> ignoramus who thought he could educate us about a disease that killed
> both our parents.
You really want me to "educate" you on ALS? I can, you know!