From: BAR on
In article <4b7c169f$0$31033$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>,
nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says...
>
> On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 07:32:05 -0600, Moderate wrote:
> > "Carbon" <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
> > news:4b7b6ecb$0$4944$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com...
> >>
> >> I can certainly vouch for that. I went to emergency last summer. There
> >> were a lot of underclass unemployed looking people in the waiting room.
> >> I talked to the doctor for one (1) minute. No treatment was performed.
> >> The cost: around $500.
> >
> > Doesn't sound like it was an emergency.
>
> Obviously, that totally misses the point. The point would be the
> systemic corruption that makes such gross overbilling an everyday event.

Stop whining.
From: BAR on
In article <4b7c5d2c$0$4850$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>,
nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says...
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> On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 09:58:20 -0800, dene wrote:
> > "Carbon" <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
> > news:4b7b6ecb$0$4944$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com...
> >> On Tue, 16 Feb 2010 21:58:48 -0500, William Clark wrote:
> >
> >> I can certainly vouch for that. I went to emergency last summer. There
> >> were a lot of underclass unemployed looking people in the waiting room.
> >> I talked to the doctor for one (1) minute. No treatment was performed.
> >> The cost: around $500.
> >
> > Underclass? I thought liberal dogma teaches that "we're all the same."
>
> If I can smell them from across the waiting room then they are clearly
> different from me. If they want to lay around all day and be losers,
> that's great. I don't care. But I shouldn't have to get stuck paying for
> them. That is exactly what is happening in this broken system. Don't you
> think it's wrong?

Don't you have compassion for your fellow man.

Or, should there be two waiting rooms? One for the elite liberals and
another for the rest of us?
From: BAR on
In article <4b7c6759$0$4859$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>,
nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says...
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> On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 13:43:55 -0800, dene wrote:
> > "Carbon" <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
> > news:4b7c5d2c$0$4850$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com...
> >> On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 09:58:20 -0800, dene wrote:
> >>> "Carbon" <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
> >>> news:4b7b6ecb$0$4944$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com...
> >>>> On Tue, 16 Feb 2010 21:58:48 -0500, William Clark wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> I can certainly vouch for that. I went to emergency last summer.
> >>>> There were a lot of underclass unemployed looking people in the
> >>>> waiting room. I talked to the doctor for one (1) minute. No
> >>>> treatment was performed. The cost: around $500.
> >>>
> >>> Underclass? I thought liberal dogma teaches that "we're all the
> >>> same."
> >>
> >> If I can smell them from across the waiting room then they are
> >> clearly different from me. If they want to lay around all day and be
> >> losers, that's great. I don't care. But I shouldn't have to get stuck
> >> paying for them. That is exactly what is happening in this broken
> >> system. Don't you think it's wrong?
> >
> > Did I just get a whiff of personal responsibility in this diatribe?
> > There's hope for you, Carbs!!! ;>
>
> Obviously I believe in hard work and personal responsibility. Why would
> anyone assume otherwise? Because I'm a liberal?
>
> The biggest advantage to universal healthcare is that it's cheaper. It
> doesn't make financial sense to have this huge insurance bureaucracy if
> all the unemployed people can just go to emergency and stick the
> insureds with all the bills. It's crazy.

Cheaper for those who do not work, those who do not pay taxes and those
who don't have a conscience.
From: BAR on
In article <4b7c5da2$0$4850$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>,
nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says...
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> On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 09:45:07 -0800, Dinosaur_Sr wrote:
> > On Feb 17, 12:57´┐Żam, Carbon <nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
> >> On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 04:38:52 +0000, assimilate wrote:
> >>> On 16-Feb-2010, Carbon <nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>>>>> It's a nice fantasy, appealing in its brainless simplicity:
> >>>>>> Liberals blow money and Conservatives do not.
> >>
> >>>>> You're the simple one, as those are your words. I've stated many
> >>>>> times and in great detail how to lower healthcare costs. What you
> >>>>> call reform will not do it. It goes against the basic laws of
> >>>>> economics.
> >>
> >>>> Back here on planet earth, what I call reform is what is otherwise
> >>>> known as universal healthcare. Everywhere it has been implemented
> >>>> (in the first world at least) it has been much less expensive per
> >>>> capita than US healthcare and has also produced better results in
> >>>> the form of average life expectancy
> >>
> >>> But you can't say what their systems would be if they had not gone
> >>> down the economy stifling path of UHS now can you? Can you tell me
> >>> that Britain's NHS won't implode under the weight of bommer aging?
> >>> It is already showing stress. Life expectancy does not relate
> >>> exclusively to healthcare, if fact, after the 1st few fragile years
> >>> of life, it is almost divorced from it.
> >>
> >> Economy stifling? Bill, what the hell are you talking about? The US
> >> system is the most expensive in the world by far. Countries with
> >> rational healthcare systems have a lot less to worry about than the
> >> US does.
> >
> > So what is US health care costs more? If the American people want it
> > that way, that's the way it should be.
>
> In my experience people do not like getting ripped off.

Do you want the doctors that the rest of the doctors send their families
too?

Do you want the doctors who keep up with all of the latest literature?

Do you want the doctors who have the best diagnostic equipment?

Do you want the hospitals that have the best equipment and facilities?

Do you want the hospitals that have the best personnel?

Do you want to survive your next visit to the emergency room?

My answer to all of these questions is yes and I am willing to bay extra
for all of them.

Or, you can go to the doctor that graduated 500 out of 500 in his class
at medical school. Go to the hospital that is always on the edge of
loosing its license to operate.

It is your choice.
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"Dinosaur_Sr" <frostback2002(a)att.net> wrote in message
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On Feb 17, 5:00 pm, "gray asphalt" <dontwr...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote in message
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> > "gray asphalt" <dontwr...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:d7Xen.8$Ee1.4(a)newsfe12.iad...
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> >> "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote in message
> >>news:7tnb50Fs8nU1(a)mid.individual.net...
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> >> > "Carbon" <nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
> >> >news:4b75e854$0$21064$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com...
> >> >> On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 07:27:03 -0500, BAR wrote:
> >> >> > In article <oy0dn.144819$kQ5.41...(a)newsfe08.iad>,
> >> >> > dontwr...(a)gmail.com
>
> >> >> Great! I'd like healthcare that covers me for every possible illness
> >> >> with no upfront co-pays at less than 2/3 of what I'm paying now,
> >> >> with
> > no
> >> >> exclusions for pre-existing conditions and where the insurance
> >> >> company
> >> >> can never drop coverage. In return I will agree to Tort reform, such
> >> >> that I will never expect an honest mistake to be equivalent to
> >> >> winning
> >> >> the lottery.
>
> >> > Yeah....liberals are great at spending other people's money.
>
> >> > -Greg
>
> >> And banks, tobacco companies, auto manufacturers,
> >> health insurance companies, oil companies, mortgage
> >> companies, defense industry ... campanies are great at
> >> stealing other people's money. Where's my list? Did I
> >> forget anyone? How about fructose companies ... security
> >> companies ala Blackwater, wall street in general ...
> >> Oh yeah, Madison Avenue, who has created synicism
> >> and deep rooted fear in the basic honesty of the American
> >> people, especially in children who watch false adverstising...
> >> Did I forget media in general?
>
> > All the ones you mention are ultimately accountable to the consumer. You
> > have the choice whether you want to do business with them. Do you have
> > that
> > choice with your taxes? Who is government accountable to? If you think
> > the
> > voters, then consider why the government is growing 5% while business
> > and
> > personal revenues are stagnant or shrinking.
>
> > -Greg
>
> And the people who died in Bopol, India from Union
> Carbide are going to stop doing business. I guess. And
> the people who died in Ford Pintos, yeah they will stop
> doing business with Ford. And the thousands of people
> who die every year in hospitals from malpractice are
> definitely going to go somewhere in the next life. Them
> stupid people who expect for the government to protect
> them from innocent buisnesses ... And I'm pretty sure the
> people who were suckered into bad loans will not
> finance with the same companies ... well not for a few
> years after they partially recover from bankruptcy.
>
> Yep, the American dream. Cheat your neighbors. up with
> corporations, lobby the government, unrestricted spending
> by coprs on political ads. It's the government's fault, not
> the corporations who own the government.

The millions of people in the Soviet Union who died because the govt
took all the grain to Moscow and left them with nothing. The millions
murdered by the Khmer Rouges because they weren't the right "kind" of
people. How about all the people who died building Moscow's marvelous
subway! Govt control! The solution to all our problems!

_____

No offense buy I'm kinda focused on US government.