From: BAR on 12 Mar 2010 07:31
In article <wclark2-4766D1.20413011032010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio-
state.edu>, wclark2(a)colnospamumbus.rr.com says...
> There we go - the plagiarized cut and paste we all expected.
We learned it from you, the master of unattributed cut and pastes from
From: William Clark on 12 Mar 2010 08:26
Dinosaur_Sr <frostback(a)dukesofbiohazard.com> wrote:
> On Mar 11, 1:56�pm, "Moderate" <no spam @no mail.com> wrote:
> > "MNMikeW" <MNMiik...(a)aol.com> wrote in message
> > news:7vsl35Fbm3U1(a)mid.individual.net...
> > > "BAR" <sc...(a)you.com> wrote in message
> > >news:MPG.2602bfb33b80b97b989cd0(a)news.giganews.com...
> > >> In article <clark-31F53B.08321411032...(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio-
> > >> state.edu>, cl...(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio-state.edu says...
> > >>> Out there in public for anyone to look at.
> > >> Where is the link?
> > > Clark has something to hide, hence no link.
> > His MO is to accuse people of the things he is doing. �This comes as no
> > surprise.
> In science, the little people always belittle their colleagues. We
> have a lot of people who get some job by earning gold stars in the
> classroom, but when it comes to actually producing real science, they
> just don't have it, and so they justify themselves through the
> belittlement of others. We have seen it a couple of times here on RSG.
> Doesn't mean much. One's own words describe only one's own self.
You have the gall to talk about "belittling" people?
My irony meter just exploded.
From: William Clark on 12 Mar 2010 08:27
In article <MPG.2603fe1645d1e633989cd7(a)news.giganews.com>,
BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote:
> In article <wclark2-4766D1.20413011032010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio-
> state.edu>, wclark2(a)colnospamumbus.rr.com says...
> > There we go - the plagiarized cut and paste we all expected.
> We learned it from you, the master of unattributed cut and pastes from
Right. Keep it up, Bertie. Surely someone will side with you.
From: BAR on 12 Mar 2010 08:40
In article <clark-01C165.08274512032010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio-
state.edu>, clark(a)nospam.matsceng.ohio-state.edu says...
> In article <MPG.2603fe1645d1e633989cd7(a)news.giganews.com>,
> BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote:
> > In article <wclark2-4766D1.20413011032010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio-
> > state.edu>, wclark2(a)colnospamumbus.rr.com says...
> > > There we go - the plagiarized cut and paste we all expected.
> > We learned it from you, the master of unattributed cut and pastes from
> > Wikipedia.
> Right. Keep it up, Bertie. Surely someone will side with you.
Do you remember when you used Puerto Rico as an example of universal
health care? You did a cut and paste from Wikipedia without attribution.
Google is not your friend.
From: Dinosaur_Sr on 12 Mar 2010 09:31
On Mar 11, 4:33 pm, "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mar 11, 4:12 pm, Dinosaur_Sr <frostb...(a)dukesofbiohazard.com>
> > On Mar 11, 2:52 pm, "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Mar 11, 2:07 pm, Dinosaur_Sr <frostb...(a)dukesofbiohazard.com>
> > > > You really want me to "educate" you on ALS? I can, you know!- Hide quoted text -
> > > > - Show quoted text -
> > > Sure, go ahead and make a fool of yourself, as if you haven't already..
> > No problem!
> > The symptoms of ALS are caused by oxidative damage to cells, at least
> > in the classic sense. With the politics of disease these days, we have
> > the Muscular Dystrophy people wanting MD to somehow be associated with
> > ALS. Both are diseases caused by progressive cell damage and cell
> > death, but totally different causes. ALS is caused by oxidative damage
> > to cells. MD is caused by deficiencies in structural proteins in
> > muscle cells.
> > Classic ALS is superoxide dismutase deficiency, or SOD deficiency. SOD
> > is an enzyme that degrades a molecule that will oxidize other
> > molecules in your cell. Oxygen is, as we all know, toxic to your cells
> > because it is a powerful oxidant, and the molecules in your cells,
> > particularly proteins, are highly reduced. When oxygen, and molecules
> > like superoxide, which do come to be in our cells for various reasons,
> > are not processed properly, our cells suffer oxidative damage. Classic
> > ALS is the accumulation of cell damage due to oxidative stress. People
> > whose cells do not process oxidizing agents in their cells properly
> > can suffer from diseases like ALS. SOD deficiency, the classic form of
> > ALS, is a disease you are born with, and the cell damage accumulates
> > over your life and will eventually kill you if you don't die of
> > something else first. There are other enzymes involved in removing
> > oxidizing agents in your cells, and if any of the genes for those
> > enzymes are deficient, you could develop ALS. Of course your
> > mitochondria are oxygen vacuum cleaners in your cells, and gobble up
> > most of the oxygen that comes into your cells, but when your
> > mitochondria don't work well, ALS would be a minor effect in most if
> > not all cases!
> > Why ALS though, essentially a degradation of peripheral nerves? The
> > more metabolically active cells in your body will suffer damage from
> > things like SOD deficiency first. Neurons are pretty much the most
> > metabolically active cells in your body, and so the more metabolically
> > active nerves will go first. You need peripheral nerves to do things
> > like breath, and thus not being able to breath is a major cause of
> > death for people with SOD deficiency (also a major cause of death for
> > people with MD, but in the case of MD, it is the muscle cells that
> > don't work).
> > There are also multifactorial causes of ALS, more than one gene,
> > interacting with environmental factors. Tough to pin down directly,
> > but they are working on it.
> > They have developed some treatments that can reduce oxidative damage
> > to cells, but you have to take them pretty early on for any presumed
> > effect. Once the symptoms develop, there is not much you can do. The
> > damage is done, and hence the symptoms. But if you had the disease in
> > your family history, you could be genetically tested and if you had
> > some gene deficiency associated with ALS, you could begin some
> > treatments. If it were me, I would.
> > There is evidence of ALS brought on by environmental factors. I am
> > personally somewhat suspicious of such claims, as they are usually
> > associated with lawsuits. I don't see how some environmental cause
> > could attack all your cells like that, or attack just peripheral
> > neurons, but some of the arguments are compelling even if lacking in
> > direct, empirical cause and effect evidence (as we all know,
> > correlation is not indicative of causality!).
> > Trying to be non technical, and I don't want to rant on too
> > much...time to take the dogs for a walk anyways.
> > There is a really nice textbook on genetic diseases out there called
> > Thompson and Thompson, Genetics in Medicine, 7th edition (don't get
> > anything prior to the 6th ed, revised, as they suck), a British book
> > to boot, if you want to learn about genetic diseases. Anyone with a
> > basic biology background should be able to handle it, which excludes
> > you and Clark I suppose.
> I already knew all this and more, having lived with this disease every
> day for 9 years. So you've just wasted a lot of time.
You asked! I would never have made such a post unsolicited. I wasted 5
minutes, a nice break while grading papers. Mid term grades are due