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From: Carbon on 17 Feb 2010 20:32 On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 20:08:55 -0500, BAR wrote: > In article <4b7c6759$0$4859$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, > nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says... >> On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 13:43:55 -0800, dene wrote: >>> "Carbon" <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message >>> news:4b7c5d2c$0$4850$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com... >>>> On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 09:58:20 -0800, dene wrote: >>>>> "Carbon" <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message >>>>> news:4b7b6ecb$0$4944$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com... >>>>>> On Tue, 16 Feb 2010 21:58:48 -0500, William Clark wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I can certainly vouch for that. I went to emergency last summer. >>>>>> There were a lot of underclass unemployed looking people in the >>>>>> waiting room. I talked to the doctor for one (1) minute. No >>>>>> treatment was performed. The cost: around $500. >>>>> >>>>> Underclass? I thought liberal dogma teaches that "we're all the >>>>> same." >>>> >>>> If I can smell them from across the waiting room then they are >>>> clearly different from me. If they want to lay around all day and >>>> be losers, that's great. I don't care. But I shouldn't have to get >>>> stuck paying for them. That is exactly what is happening in this >>>> broken system. Don't you think it's wrong? >>> >>> Did I just get a whiff of personal responsibility in this diatribe? >>> There's hope for you, Carbs!!! ;> >> >> Obviously I believe in hard work and personal responsibility. Why >> would anyone assume otherwise? Because I'm a liberal? >> >> The biggest advantage to universal healthcare is that it's cheaper. >> It doesn't make financial sense to have this huge insurance >> bureaucracy if all the unemployed people can just go to emergency and >> stick the insureds with all the bills. It's crazy. > > Cheaper for those who do not work, those who do not pay taxes and > those who don't have a conscience. I was billed $500+ for one minute of a doctor's time. A less corrupt healthcare system would be cheaper for me. And for you, not that your political beliefs allow you to rationally consider the matter.
From: Carbon on 17 Feb 2010 20:33 On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 20:07:45 -0500, BAR wrote: > In article <4b7c5d2c$0$4850$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, > nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says... >> On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 09:58:20 -0800, dene wrote: >>> "Carbon" <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message >>> news:4b7b6ecb$0$4944$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com... >>>> On Tue, 16 Feb 2010 21:58:48 -0500, William Clark wrote: >>> >>>> I can certainly vouch for that. I went to emergency last summer. >>>> There were a lot of underclass unemployed looking people in the >>>> waiting room. I talked to the doctor for one (1) minute. No >>>> treatment was performed. The cost: around $500. >>> >>> Underclass? I thought liberal dogma teaches that "we're all the >>> same." >> >> If I can smell them from across the waiting room then they are >> clearly different from me. If they want to lay around all day and be >> losers, that's great. I don't care. But I shouldn't have to get stuck >> paying for them. That is exactly what is happening in this broken >> system. Don't you think it's wrong? > > Don't you have compassion for your fellow man. > > Or, should there be two waiting rooms? One for the elite liberals and > another for the rest of us? There should be a less corrupt healthcare system so I don't get stuck paying for them.
From: Carbon on 17 Feb 2010 20:35 On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 20:05:04 -0500, BAR wrote: > In article <4b7c169f$0$31033$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, > nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says... >> On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 07:32:05 -0600, Moderate wrote: >>> "Carbon" <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message >>> news:4b7b6ecb$0$4944$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com... >>> >>>> I can certainly vouch for that. I went to emergency last summer. >>>> There were a lot of underclass unemployed looking people in the >>>> waiting room. I talked to the doctor for one (1) minute. No >>>> treatment was performed. The cost: around $500. >>> >>> Doesn't sound like it was an emergency. >> >> Obviously, that totally misses the point. The point would be the >> systemic corruption that makes such gross overbilling an everyday >> event. > > Stop whining. I should just allow myself to be raped like all you ideologues, huh?
From: gray asphalt on 17 Feb 2010 20:37 "dene" <dene(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote in message news:7u3gfaF9srU1(a)mid.individual.net... > > "Dinosaur_Sr" <frostback2002(a)att.net> wrote in message > news:f61d6fbf-d4e5-42c5-ad46-7dd4ce8418e3(a)k19g2000yqc.googlegroups.com... > On Feb 17, 5:00 pm, "gray asphalt" <dontwr...(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote in message >> >> news:7u300eFgdqU1(a)mid.individual.net... >> >> >> >> >> >> > "gray asphalt" <dontwr...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message >> >news:d7Xen.8$Ee1.4(a)newsfe12.iad... >> >> >> "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote in message >> >>news:7tnb50Fs8nU1(a)mid.individual.net... >> >> >> > "Carbon" <nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message >> >> >news:4b75e854$0$21064$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com... >> >> >> On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 07:27:03 -0500, BAR wrote: >> >> >> > In article <oy0dn.144819$kQ5.41...(a)newsfe08.iad>, >> >> >> > dontwr...(a)gmail.com >> >> >> >> Great! I'd like healthcare that covers me for every possible >> >> >> illness >> >> >> with no upfront co-pays at less than 2/3 of what I'm paying now, > with >> > no >> >> >> exclusions for pre-existing conditions and where the insurance > company >> >> >> can never drop coverage. In return I will agree to Tort reform, >> >> >> such >> >> >> that I will never expect an honest mistake to be equivalent to > winning >> >> >> the lottery. >> >> >> > Yeah....liberals are great at spending other people's money. >> >> >> > -Greg >> >> >> And banks, tobacco companies, auto manufacturers, >> >> health insurance companies, oil companies, mortgage >> >> companies, defense industry ... campanies are great at >> >> stealing other people's money. Where's my list? Did I >> >> forget anyone? How about fructose companies ... security >> >> companies ala Blackwater, wall street in general ... >> >> Oh yeah, Madison Avenue, who has created synicism >> >> and deep rooted fear in the basic honesty of the American >> >> people, especially in children who watch false adverstising... >> >> Did I forget media in general? >> >> > All the ones you mention are ultimately accountable to the consumer. >> > You >> > have the choice whether you want to do business with them. Do you have >> > that >> > choice with your taxes? Who is government accountable to? If you think >> > the >> > voters, then consider why the government is growing 5% while business > and >> > personal revenues are stagnant or shrinking. >> >> > -Greg >> >> And the people who died in Bopol, India from Union >> Carbide are going to stop doing business. I guess. And >> the people who died in Ford Pintos, yeah they will stop >> doing business with Ford. And the thousands of people >> who die every year in hospitals from malpractice are >> definitely going to go somewhere in the next life. Them >> stupid people who expect for the government to protect >> them from innocent buisnesses ... And I'm pretty sure the >> people who were suckered into bad loans will not >> finance with the same companies ... well not for a few >> years after they partially recover from bankruptcy. >> >> Yep, the American dream. Cheat your neighbors. up with >> corporations, lobby the government, unrestricted spending >> by coprs on political ads. It's the government's fault, not >> the corporations who own the government. > > The millions of people in the Soviet Union who died because the govt > took all the grain to Moscow and left them with nothing. The millions > murdered by the Khmer Rouges because they weren't the right "kind" of > people. How about all the people who died building Moscow's marvelous > subway! Govt control! The solution to all our problems! > > ------------------------------------------------ > > Well said Rob. > > The problem with corporations and churches and any other human > organization > is that they are full of flawed people. However, people are at their best > when there is a sufficient balance of accountability and incentive. > Government takeovers/socialism offer neither whereas capitalism offers. > > So Mr. Asphalt....what is your solution to the problems you listed? > > -Greg I'm kinda suprised you admit there is a problem, seriously no offense. If I were in charge, the first thing I would do is make restaurants quit using transfats or explain why not. Why? Because there just doesn't seem to be any reason to poison people (exaggeration) for no reason. So far in my life, I've accomplished two thing politically ... getting more computers for CPS to take abuse calls in AZ and getting a tree trimmed so that a stop sign near my home is visible. If we can't get the restaurants to end a health hazard then perhaps we just need to educate ourselves why we should stop feeling guilty about the state of the US and maybe realize we have no responsibity in a world that can't be changed for the better. There are probably many other and better projects that would take no money or even much will to change ... one I personally would like to see is better databases for non-profit agencies so that the money that is being spent by the private sector to help people can be accessed more easily. I only know about two databases, one here in NV, which is a joke and the one I worked at in Phoenix, which is much better but still could use a lot of improvement. ... neither would cost much. You Asked.
From: gray asphalt on 17 Feb 2010 20:40
One other thing... ask the tea party if they have an objection to the citizens getting the same health care plan as our congress ... |