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From: Carbon on 17 Feb 2010 20:48 On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 20:02:54 -0500, BAR wrote: > In article <4b7c1627$0$5110$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, > nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says... >> On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 06:58:02 -0500, BAR wrote: >>> In article <4b7b6ecb$0$4944$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, >>> nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says... >>>> On Tue, 16 Feb 2010 21:58:48 -0500, William Clark wrote: >>>> >>>>> BS, Jack, as per usual. The hospitals don't "absorb the cost", >>>>> they recoup it by overcharging patients who do have insurance. In >>>>> other words, they are allowed to tax you and me. Gosh, sounds like >>>>> a public option, without the honesty or accountability. >>>> >>>> I can certainly vouch for that. I went to emergency last summer. >>>> There were a lot of underclass unemployed looking people in the >>>> waiting room. I talked to the doctor for one (1) minute. No >>>> treatment was performed. The cost: around $500. >>> >>> Why didn't you go to a Doc-In-A-Box, it would have been cheaper. >>> And, obviously you were not in a life threatening situation. >> >> At the time I wasn't sure it wasn't going to become an emergency. And >> coming from a place that has a less corrupt healthcare system, I had >> no idea I would be fucked to that extent. > > If you went to the Doc-In-A-Box and it was an emergency they would > have called 911 to send an ambulance to take you to the emergency > room. > > You are the problem, not the solution. I thought I was going to have to have a scope put down my esophagus to clear the obstruction. I sure as hell wasn't going to waste my time on some mall doctor who wouldn't have had the proper equipment. If you want to take chances like that, go right ahead.
From: Carbon on 17 Feb 2010 20:52 On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 20:14:06 -0500, BAR wrote: > In article <4b7c5da2$0$4850$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, > nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says... >> On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 09:45:07 -0800, Dinosaur_Sr wrote: >>> On Feb 17, 12:57 am, Carbon <nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Economy stifling? Bill, what the hell are you talking about? The US >>>> system is the most expensive in the world by far. Countries with >>>> rational healthcare systems have a lot less to worry about than the >>>> US does. >>> >>> So what is US health care costs more? If the American people want it >>> that way, that's the way it should be. >> >> In my experience people do not like getting ripped off. > > Do you want the doctors that the rest of the doctors send their > families too? Do you want the doctors who keep up with all of the > latest literature? Do you want the doctors who have the best > diagnostic equipment? Do you want the hospitals that have the best > equipment and facilities? Do you want the hospitals that have the > best personnel? Do you want to survive your next visit to the > emergency room? My answer to all of these questions is yes and I am > willing to bay extra for all of them. Or, you can go to the doctor > that graduated 500 out of 500 in his class at medical school. Go to > the hospital that is always on the edge of loosing its license to > operate. It is your choice. It is enlightening that you see such a complex problem in such a binary either/or way.
From: Howard Brazee on 17 Feb 2010 21:51 On 17 Feb 2010 22:02:01 GMT, Carbon <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote: >The biggest advantage to universal healthcare is that it's cheaper. It >doesn't make financial sense to have this huge insurance bureaucracy if >all the unemployed people can just go to emergency and stick the >insureds with all the bills. It's crazy. Some people are willing to pay more if it means they can avoid acknowledging that they are paying for the "wrong" people. -- "In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found, than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace to the legislature, and not to the executive department." - James Madison
From: Howard Brazee on 17 Feb 2010 21:53 On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 14:14:32 -0800 (PST), Dinosaur_Sr <frostback2002(a)att.net> wrote: >How do you prevent people with no money from going to emergency rooms? I suppose we can make emergency patients go through the same kind of wait we need to buy firearms. During that wait the expanded bureaucracy can verify that you have the means to pay. -- "In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found, than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace to the legislature, and not to the executive department." - James Madison
From: Howard Brazee on 17 Feb 2010 21:56
On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 20:08:55 -0500, BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote: >> The biggest advantage to universal healthcare is that it's cheaper. It >> doesn't make financial sense to have this huge insurance bureaucracy if >> all the unemployed people can just go to emergency and stick the >> insureds with all the bills. It's crazy. > >Cheaper for those who do not work, those who do not pay taxes and those >who don't have a conscience. Same cost for those who don't work. Everybody pays taxes, so those guys will pay more. There are plenty of people without conscience in every income bracket paying what they need. -- "In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found, than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace to the legislature, and not to the executive department." - James Madison |