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From: BAR on 18 Feb 2010 06:55 In article <wclark2-B7C438.22092917022010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio- state.edu>, wclark2(a)colnospamumbus.rr.com says... > > In article <4b7c98a4$0$21010$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, > Carbon <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote: > > > On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 20:08:55 -0500, BAR wrote: > > > In article <4b7c6759$0$4859$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, > > > nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says... > > >> On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 13:43:55 -0800, dene wrote: > > >>> "Carbon" <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message > > >>> news:4b7c5d2c$0$4850$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com... > > >>>> On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 09:58:20 -0800, dene wrote: > > >>>>> "Carbon" <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message > > >>>>> news:4b7b6ecb$0$4944$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com... > > >>>>>> On Tue, 16 Feb 2010 21:58:48 -0500, William Clark wrote: > > >>>>> > > >>>>>> I can certainly vouch for that. I went to emergency last summer. > > >>>>>> There were a lot of underclass unemployed looking people in the > > >>>>>> waiting room. I talked to the doctor for one (1) minute. No > > >>>>>> treatment was performed. The cost: around $500. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Underclass? I thought liberal dogma teaches that "we're all the > > >>>>> same." > > >>>> > > >>>> If I can smell them from across the waiting room then they are > > >>>> clearly different from me. If they want to lay around all day and > > >>>> be losers, that's great. I don't care. But I shouldn't have to get > > >>>> stuck paying for them. That is exactly what is happening in this > > >>>> broken system. Don't you think it's wrong? > > >>> > > >>> Did I just get a whiff of personal responsibility in this diatribe? > > >>> There's hope for you, Carbs!!! ;> > > >> > > >> Obviously I believe in hard work and personal responsibility. Why > > >> would anyone assume otherwise? Because I'm a liberal? > > >> > > >> The biggest advantage to universal healthcare is that it's cheaper. > > >> It doesn't make financial sense to have this huge insurance > > >> bureaucracy if all the unemployed people can just go to emergency and > > >> stick the insureds with all the bills. It's crazy. > > > > > > Cheaper for those who do not work, those who do not pay taxes and > > > those who don't have a conscience. > > > > I was billed $500+ for one minute of a doctor's time. A less corrupt > > healthcare system would be cheaper for me. And for you, not that your > > political beliefs allow you to rationally consider the matter. > > Just as I (or rather, my insurance) was billed $1,650 for a Ti-6-4 hip > prosthesis, that costs about $700. Amazing. Didn't you claim previously that your hip hardware cost $16,000?
From: BAR on 18 Feb 2010 06:56 In article <4b7c98d0$0$21010$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says... > > On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 20:07:45 -0500, BAR wrote: > > In article <4b7c5d2c$0$4850$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, > > nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says... > >> On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 09:58:20 -0800, dene wrote: > >>> "Carbon" <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message > >>> news:4b7b6ecb$0$4944$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com... > >>>> On Tue, 16 Feb 2010 21:58:48 -0500, William Clark wrote: > >>> > >>>> I can certainly vouch for that. I went to emergency last summer. > >>>> There were a lot of underclass unemployed looking people in the > >>>> waiting room. I talked to the doctor for one (1) minute. No > >>>> treatment was performed. The cost: around $500. > >>> > >>> Underclass? I thought liberal dogma teaches that "we're all the > >>> same." > >> > >> If I can smell them from across the waiting room then they are > >> clearly different from me. If they want to lay around all day and be > >> losers, that's great. I don't care. But I shouldn't have to get stuck > >> paying for them. That is exactly what is happening in this broken > >> system. Don't you think it's wrong? > > > > Don't you have compassion for your fellow man. > > > > Or, should there be two waiting rooms? One for the elite liberals and > > another for the rest of us? > > There should be a less corrupt healthcare system so I don't get stuck > paying for them. You are a selfish pig. Where is your compassion for your fellow man who is less fortunate than you.
From: BAR on 18 Feb 2010 07:00 In article <WR0fn.80$Ab2.16(a)newsfe23.iad>, dontwrite(a)gmail.com says... > I'm kinda suprised you admit there is a problem, seriously > no offense. > > If I were in charge, the first thing I would do is make restaurants > quit using transfats or explain why not. Why? Because there just > doesn't seem to be any reason to poison people (exaggeration) for > no reason. So far in my life, I've accomplished two thing politically ... > getting more computers for CPS to take abuse calls in AZ and > getting a tree trimmed so that a stop sign near my home is visible. > > If we can't get the restaurants to end a health hazard then perhaps > we just need to educate ourselves why we should stop feeling > guilty about the state of the US and maybe realize we have no > responsibity in a world that can't be changed for the better. There > are probably many other and better projects that would take no > money or even much will to change ... one I personally would like > to see is better databases for non-profit agencies so that the money > that is being spent by the private sector to help people can be > accessed more easily. I only know about two databases, one here > in NV, which is a joke and the one I worked at in Phoenix, which > is much better but still could use a lot of improvement. ... neither > would cost much. > > You Asked. You seem to want to take action and responsibility in some areas of your life and not in others. What restaurant has forced you to enter and eat their food?
From: BAR on 18 Feb 2010 07:04 In article <4b7c9c83$0$30935$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says... > > On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 20:02:54 -0500, BAR wrote: > > In article <4b7c1627$0$5110$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, > > nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says... > >> On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 06:58:02 -0500, BAR wrote: > >>> In article <4b7b6ecb$0$4944$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, > >>> nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says... > >>>> On Tue, 16 Feb 2010 21:58:48 -0500, William Clark wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> BS, Jack, as per usual. The hospitals don't "absorb the cost", > >>>>> they recoup it by overcharging patients who do have insurance. In > >>>>> other words, they are allowed to tax you and me. Gosh, sounds like > >>>>> a public option, without the honesty or accountability. > >>>> > >>>> I can certainly vouch for that. I went to emergency last summer. > >>>> There were a lot of underclass unemployed looking people in the > >>>> waiting room. I talked to the doctor for one (1) minute. No > >>>> treatment was performed. The cost: around $500. > >>> > >>> Why didn't you go to a Doc-In-A-Box, it would have been cheaper. > >>> And, obviously you were not in a life threatening situation. > >> > >> At the time I wasn't sure it wasn't going to become an emergency. And > >> coming from a place that has a less corrupt healthcare system, I had > >> no idea I would be fucked to that extent. > > > > If you went to the Doc-In-A-Box and it was an emergency they would > > have called 911 to send an ambulance to take you to the emergency > > room. > > > > You are the problem, not the solution. > > I thought I was going to have to have a scope put down my esophagus to > clear the obstruction. I sure as hell wasn't going to waste my time on > some mall doctor who wouldn't have had the proper equipment. If you want > to take chances like that, go right ahead. The best for Carbs and screw the smelly people in the waiting room.
From: BAR on 18 Feb 2010 07:13
In article <4b7c9d73$0$21547$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says... > >> In my experience people do not like getting ripped off. > > > > Do you want the doctors that the rest of the doctors send their > > families too? Do you want the doctors who keep up with all of the > > latest literature? Do you want the doctors who have the best > > diagnostic equipment? Do you want the hospitals that have the best > > equipment and facilities? Do you want the hospitals that have the > > best personnel? Do you want to survive your next visit to the > > emergency room? My answer to all of these questions is yes and I am > > willing to bay extra for all of them. Or, you can go to the doctor > > that graduated 500 out of 500 in his class at medical school. Go to > > the hospital that is always on the edge of loosing its license to > > operate. It is your choice. > > It is enlightening that you see such a complex problem in such a binary > either/or way. It is not a complex problem at all. When I broke my thumb I asked my sister who worked as the charge nurse on the orthopedic ward at the largest hospital in the richest county in the country which doctor I should see about getting it fixed. I was not thinking in binary, I was thinking about was I going to be able to use my thumb again. She said go see Dr. F. She said that if she had orthopedic problems that's who she would go see. The rest of my doctors, that my PPO insurance plan enables me to see, are in the top 5 of their respective specialties as rated by their peers in my metropolitan area. For years I was subjected to socialized medicine where you go into the clinic and you get the doctor on duty. No choice, no continuity of care, just look you over, prescribe something and move onto the next patient to clear out the waiting room before 4:30 PM. |