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From: Carbon on 19 Feb 2010 01:11 On Thu, 18 Feb 2010 21:35:11 -0800, dene wrote: > "Carbon" <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message > news:4b7de6c2$0$4949$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com... >> On Thu, 18 Feb 2010 19:20:38 -0500, BAR wrote: >>> In article <4b7dc9b0$0$4949$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, >>> nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says... >>>> On Thu, 18 Feb 2010 06:56:36 -0500, BAR wrote:pretend otherwise. >>>>> In article <4b7c98d0$0$21010$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, >>>>> nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says... >>>>>> On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 20:07:45 -0500, BAR wrote: >>>>>>> In article <4b7c5d2c$0$4850$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, >>>>>>> nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says... >>>>>>>> On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 09:58:20 -0800, dene wrote: >>>>>>>>> "Carbon" <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>>> news:4b7b6ecb$0$4944$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com... >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 16 Feb 2010 21:58:48 -0500, William Clark wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I can certainly vouch for that. I went to emergency last >>>>>>>>>> summer. There were a lot of underclass unemployed looking >>>>>>>>>> people in the waiting room. I talked to the doctor for one >>>>>>>>>> (1) minute. No treatment was performed. The cost: around >>>>>>>>>> $500. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Underclass? I thought liberal dogma teaches that "we're all >>>>>>>>> the same." >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If I can smell them from across the waiting room then they are >>>>>>>> clearly different from me. If they want to lay around all day >>>>>>>> and be losers, that's great. I don't care. But I shouldn't have >>>>>>>> to get stuck paying for them. That is exactly what is happening >>>>>>> in this broken system. Don't you think it's wrong? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Don't you have compassion for your fellow man. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Or, should there be two waiting rooms? One for the elite >>>>>>> liberals and another for the rest of us? >>>>>> >>>>>> There should be a less corrupt healthcare system so I don't get >>>>>> stuck paying for them. >>>>> >>>>> You are a selfish pig. Where is your compassion for your fellow >>>>> man who is less fortunate than you. >>>> >>>> Spare me the bullshit. You don't care whether these people live or >>>> die. >>> >>> Yes, I do care if they live or die. I just don't want to have to >>> support them for the rest of my life. I want to teach them to >>> support themselves. >> >> You want to teach them, do you? That is truly funny. >> >> If universal healthcare provided healthcare for less total cost than >> private healthcare plus taxes, would it still be a bad thing? > > Carbs. You've made a good argument for Canada and Europe's system. > Trouble is....we're talking 320 million here, not 35 million. Even > worse, the US has a federal government which has an abysmal record > with Medicare. Do you honestly believe it's up to the task of > managing a system like Canada or Europe. Few in America have that > confidence. > > A better solution is smart, insurance reform. If that fails, then go > with single payor...not vice versa. I like America and have been here nearly eight years now. I'm not sure I'm comfortable with this appeal to incompetence, that the US couldn't run a healthcare program as successfully as Europe or Canada or pretty much the rest of the first world. I just don't believe that Americans are so much more incompetent than everybody else.
From: BAR on 19 Feb 2010 07:05 In article <4b7de565$0$4981$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says... > > On Thu, 18 Feb 2010 19:39:22 -0500, BAR wrote: > > In article <4b7ddbe7$0$4984$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, > > nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says... > >> > >> The disdain came later, when I realized that I was getting stuck > >> paying for them. Be honest for once: don't you resent having to pay > >> through the nose for these people? Wouldn't it be better to have them > >> pay at least some of their healthcare costs as taxes? > > > > No, I want them to open up their wallets and pay for the services they > > receive. Taxes are just a way of sharing expenses. > > Yes! Finally. Taxes paid on beer and cigarettes by these people would > offset costs incurred in other areas. Like, oh, I don't know... > healthcare. You can slap yourself in the forehead now. I'll wait. Your true colors are shining through. It's too bad they are the darker shades of hate, discontent and disdain for your fellow man.
From: BAR on 19 Feb 2010 07:10 In article <4b7e2b93$0$5078$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says... > >> You want to teach them, do you? That is truly funny. > >> > >> If universal healthcare provided healthcare for less total cost than > >> private healthcare plus taxes, would it still be a bad thing? > > > > Carbs. You've made a good argument for Canada and Europe's system. > > Trouble is....we're talking 320 million here, not 35 million. Even > > worse, the US has a federal government which has an abysmal record > > with Medicare. Do you honestly believe it's up to the task of > > managing a system like Canada or Europe. Few in America have that > > confidence. > > > > A better solution is smart, insurance reform. If that fails, then go > > with single payor...not vice versa. > > I like America and have been here nearly eight years now. I'm not sure > I'm comfortable with this appeal to incompetence, that the US couldn't > run a healthcare program as successfully as Europe or Canada or pretty > much the rest of the first world. I just don't believe that Americans > are so much more incompetent than everybody else. > Governments are good at just a few things and they are waste, fraud and abuse. You are severely deluded if you believe that entrusting the US government with the responsibility of managing the health care of 300 million people in the US will not be a prime ground for waste, fraud and abuse. No one has ever managed a program of that scope yet. This is not the time to entrust 1/6 of the US economy to government bureaucrats.
From: BAR on 19 Feb 2010 07:12 In article <4b7de8c5$0$4967$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says... > > On Thu, 18 Feb 2010 19:30:41 -0500, BAR wrote: > > In article <4b7dcb52$0$27203$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, > > nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says... > >> On Thu, 18 Feb 2010 08:24:00 -0800, John B. wrote: > >> > >>> I don't wany my access to all the above to be dependent on my > >>> employment and how much my employer is willing to spend on health > >>> insurance. If I were to lose my job, I wouldn't be able to afford > >>> the medications I depend on. If I were to sell my house and take my > >>> kids out of college so I could afford to buy my own insurance > >>> policy, it wouldn't cover my meds because they would be deemed to be > >>> for a pre- existing condition. What's your solution to that, Bert? > >> > >> Don't get sick. And if you do, die quickly. > > > > Access to health care is not dependent upon employment. > > > > If you were better at negotiating pay with your employer and you did a > > better job saving money you would have enough money to pay for your > > health care. Instead you have abdicated your personal responsibility > > to someone else which has made you dependent upon their generosity and > > goodwill. > > > > When the teat is taken away you are lost and can't figure out where > > your next meal is coming from. > > Thank you, but I've heard all this clueless propaganda before. I am in > favor of universal healthcare because it is cheaper and more humane. You > obviously do not know the first thing about it, and yet you are positive > that you're right. If you want Universal Health Care there are many countries around the world that offer it and there is no one stopping you from emigrating to any of them except you.
From: BAR on 19 Feb 2010 07:47
In article <fd67ad2d-fe49-4690-8c35-36e9ffc17471 @a1g2000vbl.googlegroups.com>, johnb505(a)gmail.com says... > > On Feb 18, 7:30�pm, BAR <sc...(a)you.com> wrote: > > In article <4b7dcb52$0$27203$9a6e1...(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, > > nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says... > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 18 Feb 2010 08:24:00 -0800, John B. wrote: > > > > On Feb 17, 8:14�pm, BAR <sc...(a)you.com> wrote: > > > >> In article <4b7c5da2$0$4850$9a6e1...(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, > > > >> nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says... > > > > > > I don't wany my access to all the above to be dependent on my > > > > employment and how much my employer is willing to spend on health > > > > insurance. If I were to lose my job, I wouldn't be able to afford the > > > > medications I depend on. If I were to sell my house and take my kids > > > > out of college so I could afford to buy my own insurance policy, it > > > > wouldn't cover my meds because they would be deemed to be for a pre- > > > > existing condition. What's your solution to that, Bert? > > > > > Don't get sick. And if you do, die quickly. > > > > Access to health care is not dependent upon employment. > > > > If you were better at negotiating pay with your employer and you did a > > better job saving money you would have enough money to pay for your > > health care. Instead you have abdicated your personal responsibility to > > someone else which has made you dependent upon their generosity and > > goodwill. > > > > When the teat is taken away you are lost and can't figure out where your > > next meal is coming from. > > That is truly inane. Are you going to go pray at your local post office today? |