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From: gray asphalt on 19 Feb 2010 15:27 "Dinosaur_Sr" <frostback2002(a)att.net> wrote in message news:7844688c-41f6-4862-8ee3-252f907c3299(a)15g2000yqa.googlegroups.com... On Feb 17, 8:30 pm, "gray asphalt" <dontwr...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > "Dinosaur_Sr" <frostback2...(a)att.net> wrote in message > > news:f61d6fbf-d4e5-42c5-ad46-7dd4ce8418e3(a)k19g2000yqc.googlegroups.com... > On Feb 17, 5:00 pm, "gray asphalt" <dontwr...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote in message > > >news:7u300eFgdqU1(a)mid.individual.net... > > > > "gray asphalt" <dontwr...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > > >news:d7Xen.8$Ee1.4(a)newsfe12.iad... > > > >> "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote in message > > >>news:7tnb50Fs8nU1(a)mid.individual.net... > > > >> > "Carbon" <nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message > > >> >news:4b75e854$0$21064$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com... > > >> >> On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 07:27:03 -0500, BAR wrote: > > >> >> > In article <oy0dn.144819$kQ5.41...(a)newsfe08.iad>, > > >> >> > dontwr...(a)gmail.com > > > >> >> Great! I'd like healthcare that covers me for every possible > > >> >> illness > > >> >> with no upfront co-pays at less than 2/3 of what I'm paying now, > > >> >> with > > > no > > >> >> exclusions for pre-existing conditions and where the insurance > > >> >> company > > >> >> can never drop coverage. In return I will agree to Tort reform, > > >> >> such > > >> >> that I will never expect an honest mistake to be equivalent to > > >> >> winning > > >> >> the lottery. > > > >> > Yeah....liberals are great at spending other people's money. > > > >> > -Greg > > > >> And banks, tobacco companies, auto manufacturers, > > >> health insurance companies, oil companies, mortgage > > >> companies, defense industry ... campanies are great at > > >> stealing other people's money. Where's my list? Did I > > >> forget anyone? How about fructose companies ... security > > >> companies ala Blackwater, wall street in general ... > > >> Oh yeah, Madison Avenue, who has created synicism > > >> and deep rooted fear in the basic honesty of the American > > >> people, especially in children who watch false adverstising... > > >> Did I forget media in general? > > > > All the ones you mention are ultimately accountable to the consumer. > > > You > > > have the choice whether you want to do business with them. Do you have > > > that > > > choice with your taxes? Who is government accountable to? If you think > > > the > > > voters, then consider why the government is growing 5% while business > > > and > > > personal revenues are stagnant or shrinking. > > > > -Greg > > > And the people who died in Bopol, India from Union > > Carbide are going to stop doing business. I guess. And > > the people who died in Ford Pintos, yeah they will stop > > doing business with Ford. And the thousands of people > > who die every year in hospitals from malpractice are > > definitely going to go somewhere in the next life. Them > > stupid people who expect for the government to protect > > them from innocent buisnesses ... And I'm pretty sure the > > people who were suckered into bad loans will not > > finance with the same companies ... well not for a few > > years after they partially recover from bankruptcy. > > > Yep, the American dream. Cheat your neighbors. up with > > corporations, lobby the government, unrestricted spending > > by coprs on political ads. It's the government's fault, not > > the corporations who own the government. > > The millions of people in the Soviet Union who died because the govt > took all the grain to Moscow and left them with nothing. The millions > murdered by the Khmer Rouges because they weren't the right "kind" of > people. How about all the people who died building Moscow's marvelous > subway! Govt control! The solution to all our problems! > > _____ > > No offense buy I'm kinda focused on US government. Oh yeah ... and I suppose "manifest destiny" was an excuse for imperialism. I'm sure the Mexicans weren't bothered at all by the theft of Texas, and how much other land? So your arguement is that since government is bad, bug business is good? And allowing big business to dictate to government is a good thing? I'll go with Ross Perot on these issues. Remember him, the guy who critisized General Motors for their hubris and unwillingness to adapt and their lack of concern for workers ... Well Gm certainly has prospered and if they could just get government to take back the bailout money, they'd be even better.
From: Carbon on 19 Feb 2010 17:33 On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 07:05:47 -0500, BAR wrote: > In article <4b7de565$0$4981$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, > nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says... >> On Thu, 18 Feb 2010 19:39:22 -0500, BAR wrote: >>> In article <4b7ddbe7$0$4984$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, >>> nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says... >>>> >>>> The disdain came later, when I realized that I was getting stuck >>>> paying for them. Be honest for once: don't you resent having to pay >>>> through the nose for these people? Wouldn't it be better to have >>>> them pay at least some of their healthcare costs as taxes? >>> >>> No, I want them to open up their wallets and pay for the services >>> they receive. Taxes are just a way of sharing expenses. >> >> Yes! Finally. Taxes paid on beer and cigarettes by these people would >> offset costs incurred in other areas. Like, oh, I don't know... >> healthcare. You can slap yourself in the forehead now. I'll wait. > > Your true colors are shining through. It's too bad they are the darker > shades of hate, discontent and disdain for your fellow man. I love how you're trying to take the high ground after your endless little rants about your wonderful sink or swim philosophy of life. If it were up to you, you hypocrite, they'd all be left to die in the street.
From: Howard Brazee on 19 Feb 2010 17:40 On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 05:55:01 -0800 (PST), "John B." <johnb505(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> They worked out pretty well. The government wanted to exterminate the >> Indians and they damn near did it. Not that that's relevant. >> >> ----------------------------------------------------- >> >> Smallpox did much of the damage. >> >> -Greg > >Smallpox was spread to Indian tribes by white people. The English probably wouldn't have gotten a foothold if the epidemics hadn't decimated the native population before Jamestown. European diseases were introduced by the Spanish, but spread by everybody. -- "In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found, than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace to the legislature, and not to the executive department." - James Madison
From: Carbon on 19 Feb 2010 17:41 On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 07:10:58 -0500, BAR wrote: > In article <4b7e2b93$0$5078$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, > nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says... > >> I like America and have been here nearly eight years now. I'm not >> sure I'm comfortable with this appeal to incompetence, that the US >> couldn't run a healthcare program as successfully as Europe or Canada >> or pretty much the rest of the first world. I just don't believe that >> Americans are so much more incompetent than everybody else. > > Governments are good at just a few things and they are waste, fraud > and abuse. You are severely deluded if you believe that entrusting the > US government with the responsibility of managing the health care of > 300 million people in the US will not be a prime ground for waste, > fraud and abuse. > > No one has ever managed a program of that scope yet. This is not the > time to entrust 1/6 of the US economy to government bureaucrats. You insist on losing because you are blinded by ideology. Add what you pay in taxes to what you pay in healthcare. Compare that to other first world countries with universal healthcare. D'oh!
From: Howard Brazee on 19 Feb 2010 17:42
On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 05:57:56 -0800 (PST), "John B." <johnb505(a)gmail.com> wrote: >Every industrialized country on earth offers universal health care >except the U.S., yet the U.S. is the only one of them that's embroiled >in a debate about health care. Apparently there aren't significant numbers of people in those countries who see that there is anything to debate. -- "In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found, than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace to the legislature, and not to the executive department." - James Madison |