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From: Howard Brazee on 20 Feb 2010 12:29 On Sat, 20 Feb 2010 11:57:59 -0500, BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote: >> > I am horrified that anyone gets anything for free except the air they >> > breath. The only way someone gets something for free is that something >> > has to be taken from someone else. >> >> You fool, you're already paying for them in higher insurance premiums. > >And you believe that giving them free health care, which they already >have, is going to change what I am paying? You are the fool. If you don't believe it, then talking about the cost is a red herring within the health care debate. -- "In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found, than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace to the legislature, and not to the executive department." - James Madison
From: Howard Brazee on 20 Feb 2010 12:31 On Sat, 20 Feb 2010 08:03:44 -0500, BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote: >I don't suppose you ever worked for H Ross either. I was interviewed by >the EDS and was told that I would have to shave my mustache and get rid >of my gray suits if I accepted the offer. The USMCR let me keep my >mustache. I shaved off my full beard twice - once when I started AFROTC, and once when I started working for EDS. -- "In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found, than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace to the legislature, and not to the executive department." - James Madison
From: Carbon on 20 Feb 2010 12:33 On Sat, 20 Feb 2010 11:57:59 -0500, BAR wrote: > In article <4b800fe6$0$4861$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, > nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says... >> On Sat, 20 Feb 2010 11:25:27 -0500, BAR wrote: >> >>> I am horrified that anyone gets anything for free except the air >>> they breath. The only way someone gets something for free is that >>> something has to be taken from someone else. >> >> You fool, you're already paying for them in higher insurance >> premiums. > > And you believe that giving them free health care, which they already > have, is going to change what I am paying? You are the fool. > > What I want is for them to get jobs and pay for their own health care. > > This will cause my health care costs to go down. > > There is a parallel. Those who receive free health care are like > shoplifters. They cause the price of all of the other good to rise. > Stop the shoplifting and the prices go down. > > What are shoplifters prosecuted for stealing and people stealing > health care services not prosecuted? Here's a parallel that makes sense. The war on healthcare is a lot like the so-called war on drugs. The US has spent trillions of dollars over the years incarcerating a higher percentage of its population than any other first world country. And for what? For a drug problem is at least as bad here as in countries like Denmark, where you can get pretty much any drug you want without fear of going to jail. The whole thing is a ridiculous waste of money and has been for the past 40 years at least. Year in and year out, Americans pay more for healthcare per capita than citizens of any other first world country, thanks in no small part to a massive bureaucracy designed to weed out the unentitled. The joke is that it costs more to run than just giving healthcare to the poor to start with. Like the war on drugs, the war on healthcare is an ill-considered policy that has always done much more harm than good.
From: BAR on 20 Feb 2010 12:42 In article <0370o5d18meuf1qgf2e6fd0ctpd8qo7q9b(a)4ax.com>, howard(a)brazee.net says... > > On Sat, 20 Feb 2010 08:03:44 -0500, BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote: > > >I don't suppose you ever worked for H Ross either. I was interviewed by > >the EDS and was told that I would have to shave my mustache and get rid > >of my gray suits if I accepted the offer. The USMCR let me keep my > >mustache. > > I shaved off my full beard twice - once when I started AFROTC, and > once when I started working for EDS. I hope you enjoyed your time with H Ross.
From: Carbon on 20 Feb 2010 13:02
On Sat, 20 Feb 2010 11:51:48 -0500, BAR wrote: > In article <4b800364$0$4876$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, > nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says... >> >>>>> If you want Universal Health Care there are many countries around >>>>> the world that offer it and there is no one stopping you from >>>>> emigrating to any of them except you. >>>> >>>> I win yet again. >>> >>> Good, take your ball and go home. >>> >>> We who are 100% invested in the USA do not want what you who are >>> just a guest here want. >> >> Aw, you're just saying that because your poor brain won't cough up >> anything better. > > For all of your wants and desires you are still a guest in the USA. > You have no skin in the game. If you want to become a citizen I will > welcome you with open arms. But, standing on the corner yelling and > screaming at the building and telling them they are doing everything > wrong doesn't give you a leg of credibility to stand upon. We didn't > ask for your opinion and we don't care about your opinion. > > If you will notice most of us who oppose socialized medicine and > universal health care don't care that Canada, the UK, France or > anywhere else has it, we just don't want it here in the USA. We are > not trying to tell other countries that they have to operate the way > the USA does. > > There is nothing preventing you from moving to any country that has a > system of health care that suites your wants and desires. I have lots of skin in the game. I pay taxes every year, lots of them. I pay very high healthcare premiums. I am getting very little in exchange. I work in IT. Like a lot of businesses, my company has shed a percentage of its permanent workforce and any new hires are brought on as contractors. You would have liked this one fellow. He kept telling me how the US healthcare system is the best one in the world, even though as a contractor he had no benefits. He had a cyst appear on his stomach. It got to the point where he couldn't ignore it and he had to get dug out, on his lunch hour, as an outpatient. It turns out he has cancer. I saw him the other day. All his hair has fallen out and he has big bags under his eyes. I assume he's getting chemo somehow. If he does survive I imagine he will lose everything he owns. I don't know the particulars about how his healthcare coverage lapsed, but I do know he was laid off from his previous job and it took him a long time to find a new one. He has kids to look after. I assume he decided that paying the mortgage and putting food on the table was more important than health insurance. This guy is not some permanently unemployed loser. He is a competent IT professional. But there is a recession on and he couldn't find work. It seems pretty obvious to me that if he had access to reasonable healthcare he would have been able to go to the doctor when the symptoms first appeared. It surely would have been cheaper to treat then as well. There would be one less medical bankruptcy. Our premiums would be lower. Bert, this guy could be you. It could be one of your friends. The current system is unjust. |