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From: assimilate on 20 Feb 2010 19:12 On 20-Feb-2010, "John B." <johnb505(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > Every industrialized country on earth offers universal health care > > > except the U.S., yet the U.S. is the only one of them that's embroiled > > > in a debate about health care. > > > > so since every one else jumped off the bridge we should too? > > > > -- > > bill-o > > The fact that other OECD countries are not having a civil war about > health care the way we are kind of suggests that they don't think > they've jumped off a bridge. What they think about their situation is irrelevant. -- bill-o
From: Jack Hollis on 20 Feb 2010 19:53 On Sat, 20 Feb 2010 06:43:42 -0800 (PST), "John B." <johnb505(a)gmail.com> wrote: >The fact that other OECD countries are not having a civil war about >health care the way we are kind of suggests that they don't think >they've jumped off a bridge. In the UK 11% of the population has private health insurance. Why do you think they choose to pay for something that they can already get for free? Rich Canadians, including government ministers, come to the US for health care. Why do you suppose they do that?
From: Jack Hollis on 20 Feb 2010 20:11 On Sat, 20 Feb 2010 12:20:36 -0800 (PST), "John B." <johnb505(a)gmail.com> wrote: >On Feb 20, 12:09=A0pm, Jack Hollis <xslee...(a)aol.com> wrote: >> On Thu, 18 Feb 2010 17:52:34 -0800 (PST), "John B." >> >> <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >And while you're at it, find an industrialized country whose health >> >care costs are as large a proportion of GDP as ours, or consume as >> >much of the federal budget as ours. >> >> If you want the best, you have to pay for it. =A0Would you rather pay >> less and die or pay more and live? > >That is a gross oversimplification of a complicated issue. There is no >empirical evidence that the U.S. health care system is "the best." >Even if it is, how much better is it than the UK's, or France's? If you look at cancer survival rates the US is miles ahead of the UK. The lancet article didn't have data from France, but I doubt that they are better than Sweden which comes close to the US survival rate. To me results are the most important. If you get cancer, you're more likely to survive in the US than any other country. That speaks for a lot. Life expectancy is meaningless because physicians can't control the bad behavior of their patients. I would never see a physician who did not graduate and do his/her residency in the US.
From: Carbon on 20 Feb 2010 20:40 On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 00:08:05 +0000, assimilate wrote: > On 20-Feb-2010, Carbon <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote: >>> On 19-Feb-2010, Carbon <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote: >>> >>>> I am in favor of universal healthcare mainly because it is cheaper, >>> >>> no matter how often you say this, it will never be true. >> >> The US spends more per capita on healthcare than any other country in >> the world. Average life expectancy in other first world countries >> with universal healthcare is much better than the US. Both of these >> stats can easily be verified. I can only wonder at the strength of >> your fanaticism. > > sorry but you need to mesure true cost. The real advantage of UH (for > the govt) is that it hides the real costs, much like your co-pay hides > the real cost of care. That is the true cost, in raw dollars and as a percentage of gross GDP. Since it's so easily verified, sane people generally accept that the US has the most expensive healthcare in the world. Generally the ideologues respond with the "if it's the most expensive it must be the best" argument. Of course that argument is also highly suspect in light of other easily verified stats, such as average life expectancy by country.
From: Carbon on 20 Feb 2010 20:44
On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 00:12:27 +0000, assimilate wrote: > On 20-Feb-2010, "John B." <johnb505(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>>> Every industrialized country on earth offers universal health care >>>> except the U.S., yet the U.S. is the only one of them that's >>>> embroiled in a debate about health care. >>> >>> so since every one else jumped off the bridge we should too? >> >> The fact that other OECD countries are not having a civil war about >> health care the way we are kind of suggests that they don't think >> they've jumped off a bridge. > > What they think about their situation is irrelevant. That's insane, a Bertism. |