From: BAR on
In article <4b81412e$0$4877$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>,
nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says...
>
> On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 08:15:21 -0500, BAR wrote:
> > In article <4b802399$0$4892$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>,
> > nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says...
> >
> >> This guy is not some permanently unemployed loser. He is a competent
> >> IT professional. But there is a recession on and he couldn't find
> >> work. It seems pretty obvious to me that if he had access to
> >> reasonable healthcare he would have been able to go to the doctor
> >> when the symptoms first appeared. It surely would have been cheaper
> >> to treat then as well. There would be one less medical bankruptcy.
> >> Our premiums would be lower.
> >
> > Did you ask him why ignored the cyst? Being in a field where problems
> > can go from very simple to full scale catastrophe quickly, I would put
> > the onus on your friend for his medical problems.
>
> He has kids. He nearly lost his house. Would you put health insurance
> ahead of keeping a roof over your family's head and food on the table?
> Be honest.

He made choices, he has to live with the choices he made.

I make choices and I will have to live with the choices I make.

If I wanted the government's hand to catch me when I fall or make stupid
decisions I would think just like you.
From: BAR on
In article <4b814152$0$4877$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>,
nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says...
>
> On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 08:15:21 -0500, BAR wrote:
> > In article <4b802399$0$4892$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>,
> > nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says...
> >
> >> Bert, this guy could be you. It could be one of your friends. The
> >> current system is unjust.
> >
> > Sure, it could be anyone. But, I still don't see the solution being
> > Universal Health Care.
>
> That's because you're an ideologue.

How does that phrase go? Our worst faults are what we see first in
others.

You only see one solution that codifies the current activities into law.
I see solutions that place personal responsibility at the core of the
problem.

Should a smoker get a free lung transplant?

Should a obese person get a free heart transplant?

Should a drunkard get a free liver transplant?
From: BAR on
In article <4b81404d$0$4875$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>,
nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says...
>
> On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 08:21:52 -0500, BAR wrote:
> > In article <c25cede8-f26f-4fe0-b9de-5587f383cb03
> > @t42g2000vbt.googlegroups.com>, johnb505(a)gmail.com says...
> >> On Feb 20, 7:12�pm, assimil...(a)borg.org wrote:
> >>> On 20-Feb-2010, "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> The fact that other OECD countries are not having a civil war about
> >>>> health care the way we are kind of suggests that they don't think
> >>>> they've jumped off a bridge.
> >>>
> >>> What they think about their situation is irrelevant.
> >>
> >> And I thought you were smart.
> >
> > The French built the Maginot Line. Should England and Canada done the
> > same thing after WWI?
>
> The French also built a much superior healthcare system than the US did.

That is your opinion.
From: BAR on
In article <4b813fa7$0$4875$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>,
nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says...
> >
> > Thank you comrade Carbon.
>
> I win.
>
>

What did you win?
From: Carbon on
On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 09:34:14 -0500, BAR wrote:
> In article <4b81412e$0$4877$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>,
> nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says...
>> On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 08:15:21 -0500, BAR wrote:
>>> In article <4b802399$0$4892$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>,
>>> nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says...
>>>
>>>> This guy is not some permanently unemployed loser. He is a
>>>> competent IT professional. But there is a recession on and he
>>>> couldn't find work. It seems pretty obvious to me that if he had
>>>> access to reasonable healthcare he would have been able to go to
>>>> the doctor when the symptoms first appeared. It surely would have
>>>> been cheaper to treat then as well. There would be one less medical
>>>> bankruptcy. Our premiums would be lower.
>>>
>>> Did you ask him why ignored the cyst? Being in a field where
>>> problems can go from very simple to full scale catastrophe quickly,
>>> I would put the onus on your friend for his medical problems.
>>
>> He has kids. He nearly lost his house. Would you put health insurance
>> ahead of keeping a roof over your family's head and food on the
>> table? Be honest.
>
> He made choices, he has to live with the choices he made.
>
> I make choices and I will have to live with the choices I make.
>
> If I wanted the government's hand to catch me when I fall or make
> stupid decisions I would think just like you.

You're insane. This health denial system you're so fond of is probably
going to let this guy die. But not before spending thousands on chemo
for something that probably could have been treated much less
expensively months ago.