From: Carbon on
On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 09:44:26 -0500, BAR wrote:
> In article <4b813fa7$0$4875$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>,
> nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says...
>>
>>> Thank you comrade Carbon.
>>
>> I win.
>
> What did you win?

The argument. If you can't think of anything less pathetic and obvious
than "go back where you came from!" or "communist!", you've outed
yourself as an empty-headed ideologue and I win.
From: Carbon on
On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 09:42:46 -0500, BAR wrote:
> In article <4b81404d$0$4875$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>,
> nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says...
>> On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 08:21:52 -0500, BAR wrote:
>>> In article <c25cede8-f26f-4fe0-b9de-5587f383cb03
>>> @t42g2000vbt.googlegroups.com>, johnb505(a)gmail.com says...
>>>> On Feb 20, 7:12 pm, assimil...(a)borg.org wrote:
>>>>> On 20-Feb-2010, "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> The fact that other OECD countries are not having a civil war
>>>>>> about health care the way we are kind of suggests that they don't
>>>>>> think they've jumped off a bridge.
>>>>>
>>>>> What they think about their situation is irrelevant.
>>>>
>>>> And I thought you were smart.
>>>
>>> The French built the Maginot Line. Should England and Canada done the
>>> same thing after WWI?
>>
>> The French also built a much superior healthcare system than the US
>> did.
>
> That is your opinion.

Average life expectancy:
http://goo.gl/fZQW

Cost of healthcare as percentage of gross GDP:
http://www.who.int/entity/whosis/whostat/EN_WHS09_Table7.pdf
From: BAR on
In article <4b814769$0$4866$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>,
nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says...
>
> On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 09:34:14 -0500, BAR wrote:
> > In article <4b81412e$0$4877$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>,
> > nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says...
> >> On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 08:15:21 -0500, BAR wrote:
> >>> In article <4b802399$0$4892$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>,
> >>> nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says...
> >>>
> >>>> This guy is not some permanently unemployed loser. He is a
> >>>> competent IT professional. But there is a recession on and he
> >>>> couldn't find work. It seems pretty obvious to me that if he had
> >>>> access to reasonable healthcare he would have been able to go to
> >>>> the doctor when the symptoms first appeared. It surely would have
> >>>> been cheaper to treat then as well. There would be one less medical
> >>>> bankruptcy. Our premiums would be lower.
> >>>
> >>> Did you ask him why ignored the cyst? Being in a field where
> >>> problems can go from very simple to full scale catastrophe quickly,
> >>> I would put the onus on your friend for his medical problems.
> >>
> >> He has kids. He nearly lost his house. Would you put health insurance
> >> ahead of keeping a roof over your family's head and food on the
> >> table? Be honest.
> >
> > He made choices, he has to live with the choices he made.
> >
> > I make choices and I will have to live with the choices I make.
> >
> > If I wanted the government's hand to catch me when I fall or make
> > stupid decisions I would think just like you.
>
> You're insane. This health denial system you're so fond of is probably
> going to let this guy die. But not before spending thousands on chemo
> for something that probably could have been treated much less
> expensively months ago.

I like how you have started to call it the "health denial system" it is
cute, it is not effective but, it is cute.

Your friend should have engaged the medical system earlier. He has no
one to blame except himself. As the statics show the sooner a person is
treated for cancer the greater the survival rate.


From: BAR on
In article <4b814a38$0$4847$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>,
nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says...
>
> On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 09:44:26 -0500, BAR wrote:
> > In article <4b813fa7$0$4875$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>,
> > nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says...
> >>
> >>> Thank you comrade Carbon.
> >>
> >> I win.
> >
> > What did you win?
>
> The argument. If you can't think of anything less pathetic and obvious
> than "go back where you came from!" or "communist!", you've outed
> yourself as an empty-headed ideologue and I win.

Your views are more in line with communism than they are with the
capitalist and strong individualism of the USA.

Go ahead and claim victory, if that is your thing. But, remember that
you are still a guest here in the USA.
From: BAR on
In article <4b814ab3$0$4847$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>,
nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says...
>
> On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 09:42:46 -0500, BAR wrote:
> > In article <4b81404d$0$4875$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>,
> > nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says...
> >> On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 08:21:52 -0500, BAR wrote:
> >>> In article <c25cede8-f26f-4fe0-b9de-5587f383cb03
> >>> @t42g2000vbt.googlegroups.com>, johnb505(a)gmail.com says...
> >>>> On Feb 20, 7:12�pm, assimil...(a)borg.org wrote:
> >>>>> On 20-Feb-2010, "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> The fact that other OECD countries are not having a civil war
> >>>>>> about health care the way we are kind of suggests that they don't
> >>>>>> think they've jumped off a bridge.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> What they think about their situation is irrelevant.
> >>>>
> >>>> And I thought you were smart.
> >>>
> >>> The French built the Maginot Line. Should England and Canada done the
> >>> same thing after WWI?
> >>
> >> The French also built a much superior healthcare system than the US
> >> did.
> >
> > That is your opinion.
>
> Average life expectancy:
> http://goo.gl/fZQW
>
> Cost of healthcare as percentage of gross GDP:
> http://www.who.int/entity/whosis/whostat/EN_WHS09_Table7.pdf

Go live in France.