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From: Carbon on 21 Feb 2010 10:36 On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 10:12:29 -0500, BAR wrote: > In article <4b814a38$0$4847$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, > nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says... >> On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 09:44:26 -0500, BAR wrote: >>> In article <4b813fa7$0$4875$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, >>> nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says... >>>> >>>>> Thank you comrade Carbon. >>>> >>>> I win. >>> >>> What did you win? >> >> The argument. If you can't think of anything less pathetic and >> obvious than "go back where you came from!" or "communist!", you've >> outed yourself as an empty-headed ideologue and I win. > > Your views are more in line with communism than they are with the > capitalist and strong individualism of the USA. > > Go ahead and claim victory, if that is your thing. But, remember that > you are still a guest here in the USA. I win.
From: Carbon on 21 Feb 2010 10:37 On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 10:13:19 -0500, BAR wrote: > In article <4b814ab3$0$4847$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, > nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says... >> On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 09:42:46 -0500, BAR wrote: >>> In article <4b81404d$0$4875$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, >>> nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says... >>>> On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 08:21:52 -0500, BAR wrote: >>>>> In article <c25cede8-f26f-4fe0-b9de-5587f383cb03 >>>>> @t42g2000vbt.googlegroups.com>, johnb505(a)gmail.com says... >>>>>> On Feb 20, 7:12 pm, assimil...(a)borg.org wrote: >>>>>>> On 20-Feb-2010, "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The fact that other OECD countries are not having a civil war >>>>>>>> about health care the way we are kind of suggests that they >>>>>>>> don't think they've jumped off a bridge. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> What they think about their situation is irrelevant. >>>>>> >>>>>> And I thought you were smart. >>>>> >>>>> The French built the Maginot Line. Should England and Canada done >>>>> the same thing after WWI? >>>> >>>> The French also built a much superior healthcare system than the US >>>> did. >>> >>> That is your opinion. >> >> Average life expectancy: http://goo.gl/fZQW >> >> Cost of healthcare as percentage of gross GDP: >> http://www.who.int/entity/whosis/whostat/EN_WHS09_Table7.pdf > > Go live in France. I win.
From: John B. on 21 Feb 2010 10:45 On Feb 21, 12:55 am, assimil...(a)borg.org wrote: > On 20-Feb-2010, Carbon <nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote: > > > >> The fact that other OECD countries are not having a civil war about > > >> health care the way we are kind of suggests that they don't think > > >> they've jumped off a bridge. > > > > What they think about their situation is irrelevant. > > > That's insane, a Bertism. > > Please tell me how the Eurpean's opinion of anything is relevant to our > healthcare debate. > > -- > bill-o Japan, S. Korea, Canada, Australia are not in Europe. Maybe there's something wrong with my way off thinking, but it seems to me that looking at the experiences of other developed countries might be helpful as we try to figure out how to improve our health care system.
From: Carbon on 21 Feb 2010 10:45 On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 10:09:29 -0500, BAR wrote: > In article <4b814769$0$4866$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, > nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says... >> On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 09:34:14 -0500, BAR wrote: >>> In article <4b81412e$0$4877$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, >>> nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says... >>>> On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 08:15:21 -0500, BAR wrote: >>>>> In article <4b802399$0$4892$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, >>>>> nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says... >>>>> >>>>>> This guy is not some permanently unemployed loser. He is a >>>>>> competent IT professional. But there is a recession on and he >>>>>> couldn't find work. It seems pretty obvious to me that if he had >>>>>> access to reasonable healthcare he would have been able to go to >>>>>> the doctor when the symptoms first appeared. It surely would have >>>>>> been cheaper to treat then as well. There would be one less >>>>>> medical bankruptcy. Our premiums would be lower. >>>>> >>>>> Did you ask him why ignored the cyst? Being in a field where >>>>> problems can go from very simple to full scale catastrophe >>>>> quickly, I would put the onus on your friend for his medical >>>>> problems. >>>> >>>> He has kids. He nearly lost his house. Would you put health >>>> insurance ahead of keeping a roof over your family's head and food >>>> on the table? Be honest. >>> >>> He made choices, he has to live with the choices he made. >>> >>> I make choices and I will have to live with the choices I make. >>> >>> If I wanted the government's hand to catch me when I fall or make >>> stupid decisions I would think just like you. >> >> You're insane. This health denial system you're so fond of is >> probably going to let this guy die. But not before spending thousands >> on chemo for something that probably could have been treated much >> less expensively months ago. > > I like how you have started to call it the "health denial system" it > is cute, it is not effective but, it is cute. > > Your friend should have engaged the medical system earlier. He has no > one to blame except himself. As the statics show the sooner a person > is treated for cancer the greater the survival rate. Perhaps there should be armed guards at the hospitals to keep the sick away. Those who would cost the healthcare system too much money could be hauled out back and shot. Problem solved, eh Bert? After all, the poor have no one to blame but themselves.
From: John B. on 21 Feb 2010 10:46
On Feb 21, 1:00 am, assimil...(a)borg.org wrote: > On 20-Feb-2010, Carbon <nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote: > > > The system absolutely needs an engine replacement if guys like him are > > falling through the cracks. Even if he survives he will be dead broke > > and won't be able to get insurance because of his now pre-existing > > condition. He's a stand-up guy and he's fucked. It's not right. > > Your premise, that some "reformed" system of the future could prevent such > things is false. There isn't a system anywhere that will catch everyone. > > -- > bill-o Is there a system elsewhere in the developed world that doesn't "catch" more than 40% of its population? |