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From: John B. on 21 Feb 2010 16:38 On Feb 21, 3:27 pm, Dinosaur_Sr <frostback2...(a)att.net> wrote: > On Feb 18, 6:16 pm, Carbon <nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 18 Feb 2010 05:18:15 +0000, assimilate wrote: > > > On 17-Feb-2010, Carbon <nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote: > > > >>>> Obviously, that totally misses the point. The point would be the > > >>>> systemic corruption that makes such gross overbilling an everyday > > >>>> event. > > > >>> Stop whining. > > > >> I should just allow myself to be raped like all you ideologues, huh? > > > > Better that than I get raped by your Universal Healthcare. > > > Please find any country on the planet with universal healthcare that has > > higher per capita healthcare costs than the United States. Go ahead, > > we'll wait. > > The govt dictates costs and service levels in those countries. In the > US people can choose from a free market. Yes, Americans can shop around for health insurance. They can shop around for Bentleys and Maseratis, too.
From: John B. on 21 Feb 2010 16:41 On Feb 21, 3:37 pm, Dinosaur_Sr <frostback2...(a)att.net> wrote: > On Feb 19, 8:57 am, "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Feb 19, 7:12 am, BAR <sc...(a)you.com> wrote: > > > > In article <4b7de8c5$0$4967$9a6e1...(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, > > > nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says... > > > > > On Thu, 18 Feb 2010 19:30:41 -0500, BAR wrote: > > > > > In article <4b7dcb52$0$27203$9a6e1...(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, > > > > > nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says... > > > > >> On Thu, 18 Feb 2010 08:24:00 -0800, John B. wrote: > > > > > >>> I don't wany my access to all the above to be dependent on my > > > > >>> employment and how much my employer is willing to spend on health > > > > >>> insurance. If I were to lose my job, I wouldn't be able to afford > > > > >>> the medications I depend on. If I were to sell my house and take my > > > > >>> kids out of college so I could afford to buy my own insurance > > > > >>> policy, it wouldn't cover my meds because they would be deemed to be > > > > >>> for a pre- existing condition. What's your solution to that, Bert? > > > > > >> Don't get sick. And if you do, die quickly. > > > > > > Access to health care is not dependent upon employment. > > > > > > If you were better at negotiating pay with your employer and you did a > > > > > better job saving money you would have enough money to pay for your > > > > > health care. Instead you have abdicated your personal responsibility > > > > > to someone else which has made you dependent upon their generosity and > > > > > goodwill. > > > > > > When the teat is taken away you are lost and can't figure out where > > > > > your next meal is coming from. > > > > > Thank you, but I've heard all this clueless propaganda before. I am in > > > > favor of universal healthcare because it is cheaper and more humane.. You > > > > obviously do not know the first thing about it, and yet you are positive > > > > that you're right. > > > > If you want Universal Health Care there are many countries around the > > > world that offer it and there is no one stopping you from emigrating to > > > any of them except you.- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > Every industrialized country on earth offers universal health care > > except the U.S., yet the U.S. is the only one of them that's embroiled > > in a debate about health care. > > Where has all the innovation and improvement in health care come from > over this period? From lots of places.
From: John B. on 21 Feb 2010 16:48 On Feb 21, 3:45 pm, Dinosaur_Sr <frostback2...(a)att.net> wrote: > On Feb 20, 10:39 am, Carbon <nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote: > > > > > On Sat, 20 Feb 2010 08:03:44 -0500, BAR wrote: > > > In article <hvCfn.818$BD2....(a)newsfe14.iad>, dontwr...(a)gmail.com > > > says... > > > >> Oh yeah ... and I suppose "manifest destiny" was an excuse for > > >> imperialism. I'm sure the Mexicans weren't bothered at all by the > > >> theft of Texas, and how much other land? > > > > War or the threat of war has determined the political and national > > > boundaries of kingdoms and countries. > > > > One of the penalties of losing armed conflict is that your military > > > will may be destroyed and you may lose some or all of your territory. > > > Ok, here's a possible future scenario. The US dollar continues to > > decline until it becomes nearly worthless in international trade. Cut > > off from world markets, the economy collapses. Unemployment skyrockets. > > There is widespread civil unrest. Foreign interests come in with their > > stronger currencies and buy up everything worth having. At that point > > the country will have been effectively taken over by foreign interests. > > > Say this actually happens. Will you still be sharing your smug little > > stories about the survival of the fittest? What if you're the one on the > > losing end? > > This will happen at some point, as it did the the UK in the early to > mid 20th century. If Americans continue to spend so excessively, it > will happen a lot sooner. As China, India, Brazil and others continue > to grow, they will have more and more fiscal power. As we fall into > the category of self absorbed, seal entitled deadbeats we will > decline. There is no free health care, no free housing and no free > lunch. FWIW, IMHO western Europe is totally done, but they don't know > it yet. They have no capacity to recover from this crisis. They > consume much and produce next to nothing. If that is so, then why does the U.S. have a $60.5 billion trade deficit with the EU?
From: John B. on 21 Feb 2010 16:51 On Feb 21, 3:57 pm, Howard Brazee <how...(a)brazee.net> wrote: > On 21 Feb 2010 20:21:56 GMT, Carbon <nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> > wrote: > > >What would be best would be for the money to come out of sales taxes. > >That way even the slackers have to participate. > > There are a lot of good reasons to replace income tax with sales tax. > > -- > "In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found, > than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace > to the legislature, and not to the executive department." > > - James Madison Such as?
From: John B. on 21 Feb 2010 16:52
On Feb 21, 3:58 pm, Jack Hollis <xslee...(a)aol.com> wrote: > On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 12:30:28 -0800 (PST), Dinosaur_Sr > > <frostback2...(a)att.net> wrote: > >> And while you're at it, find an industrialized country whose health > >> care costs are as large a proportion of GDP as ours, or consume as > >> much of the federal budget as ours. > > >Why is the cost such a big deal to you? Why does health care have to > >be reduced to a common denominator? > > The answer is that the government shouldn't have gotten into the > health insurance business in the first place. The major portion of > the US's financial crisis will come from Social Security, Medicare and > Medicaid. Obviously, it would have been better if these programs > never started in the first place. That's easy to say when you have no idea what kind of shape we'd be in if those programs had never been initiated. |