From: Carbon on
On Sat, 13 Feb 2010 12:10:46 -0500, BAR wrote:
> In article <4b76cfc3$0$4867$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>,
> nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says...
>> On Sat, 13 Feb 2010 09:32:01 -0500, BAR wrote:
>>> In article <4b75e854$0$21064$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>,
>>> nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says...
>>>> On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 07:27:03 -0500, BAR wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Nobody is stopping you, now, from obtaining any type, kind or
>>>>> amount of health care except yourself.
>>>>
>>>> Great! I'd like healthcare that covers me for every possible
>>>> illness with no upfront co-pays at less than 2/3 of what I'm paying
>>>> now, with no exclusions for pre-existing conditions and where the
>>>> insurance company can never drop coverage. In return I will agree
>>>> to Tort reform, such that I will never expect an honest mistake to
>>>> be equivalent to winning the lottery.
>>>
>>> You are confusing Health Care with Health Insurance. This is common
>>> for people of your ilk, the take care of me type.
>>
>> You are again failing to realize that both health care and health
>> insurance are components of big healthcare. This is commong for
>> people of your ilk, the ideologue sucker type.
>
> I do not accept your premise that health care and health insurance
> need to be addressed in the same breath.

You are free to be wrong if you want.
From: BAR on
In article <4b76e228$0$4874$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>,
nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says...
>
> On Sat, 13 Feb 2010 12:10:46 -0500, BAR wrote:
> > In article <4b76cfc3$0$4867$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>,
> > nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says...
> >> On Sat, 13 Feb 2010 09:32:01 -0500, BAR wrote:
> >>> In article <4b75e854$0$21064$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>,
> >>> nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says...
> >>>> On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 07:27:03 -0500, BAR wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Nobody is stopping you, now, from obtaining any type, kind or
> >>>>> amount of health care except yourself.
> >>>>
> >>>> Great! I'd like healthcare that covers me for every possible
> >>>> illness with no upfront co-pays at less than 2/3 of what I'm paying
> >>>> now, with no exclusions for pre-existing conditions and where the
> >>>> insurance company can never drop coverage. In return I will agree
> >>>> to Tort reform, such that I will never expect an honest mistake to
> >>>> be equivalent to winning the lottery.
> >>>
> >>> You are confusing Health Care with Health Insurance. This is common
> >>> for people of your ilk, the take care of me type.
> >>
> >> You are again failing to realize that both health care and health
> >> insurance are components of big healthcare. This is commong for
> >> people of your ilk, the ideologue sucker type.
> >
> > I do not accept your premise that health care and health insurance
> > need to be addressed in the same breath.
>
> You are free to be wrong if you want.

You really are an obnoxious prick.



From: Carbon on
On Sat, 13 Feb 2010 12:59:10 -0500, BAR wrote:
> In article <4b76e228$0$4874$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>,
> nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says...
>> On Sat, 13 Feb 2010 12:10:46 -0500, BAR wrote:
>>> In article <4b76cfc3$0$4867$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>,
>>> nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says...
>>>> On Sat, 13 Feb 2010 09:32:01 -0500, BAR wrote:
>>>>> In article <4b75e854$0$21064$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>,
>>>>> nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says...
>>>>>> On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 07:27:03 -0500, BAR wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nobody is stopping you, now, from obtaining any type, kind or
>>>>>>> amount of health care except yourself.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Great! I'd like healthcare that covers me for every possible
>>>>>> illness with no upfront co-pays at less than 2/3 of what I'm
>>>>>> paying now, with no exclusions for pre-existing conditions and
>>>>>> where the insurance company can never drop coverage. In return I
>>>>>> will agree to Tort reform, such that I will never expect an
>>>>>> honest mistake to be equivalent to winning the lottery.
>>>>>
>>>>> You are confusing Health Care with Health Insurance. This is
>>>>> common for people of your ilk, the take care of me type.
>>>>
>>>> You are again failing to realize that both health care and health
>>>> insurance are components of big healthcare. This is commong for
>>>> people of your ilk, the ideologue sucker type.
>>>
>>> I do not accept your premise that health care and health insurance
>>> need to be addressed in the same breath.
>>
>> You are free to be wrong if you want.
>
> You really are an obnoxious prick.

I'm really not. I only jump on you because you're so irrational.
From: Howard Brazee on
On Sat, 13 Feb 2010 01:58:03 -0800, "dene" <dene(a)remove.ipns.com>
wrote:

>Yeah....liberals are great at spending other people's money.

Politicians are great at spending other people's money.

What was the last Republican administration to not increase federal
spending tremendously?

--
"In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found,
than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace
to the legislature, and not to the executive department."

- James Madison
From: Kommienezuspadt on

"BAR" <screw(a)you.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.25e082b2bc4e2fa1989bb0(a)news.giganews.com...
> In article <4b769ef6$0$18836$882e0bbb(a)news.ThunderNews.com>,
> NoSpam(a)NoThanks.net says...
>>
>> "Carbon" <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
>> news:4b75e854$0$21064$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com...
>> > On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 07:27:03 -0500, BAR wrote:
>> >> In article <oy0dn.144819$kQ5.41489(a)newsfe08.iad>, dontwrite(a)gmail.com
>> >> says...
>> >>>
>> >>> I said give me the same options ... can you read? Feds have to pay
>> >>> for
>> >>> their insurance but the profit of the insurance is restricted and
>> >>> they
>> >>> have a bunch of options. I guess this issues isn't important to you.
>> >>> Tell me why please.
>> >>
>> >> You can have all of the health care you pay for, just like you can
>> >> have
>> >> all of the food you can pay for, just like you can have all of the
>> >> house
>> >> you can pay for, and just like you can have all of the car you can pay
>> >> for.
>> >>
>> >> Nobody is stopping you, now, from obtaining any type, kind or amount
>> >> of
>> >> health care except yourself.
>> >
>> > Great! I'd like healthcare that covers me for every possible illness
>> > with no upfront co-pays at less than 2/3 of what I'm paying now, with
>> > no
>> > exclusions for pre-existing conditions and where the insurance company
>> > can never drop coverage. In return I will agree to Tort reform, such
>> > that I will never expect an honest mistake to be equivalent to winning
>> > the lottery.
>>
>>
>> I always find the tort reform argument interesting -- while I do not
>> claim
>> to know everything about the issue --- I serve on a hospital board of
>> trustees --- and this I do know --- that our malpractice insurance at the
>> hospital & our employed physicians amounts to peanuts.
>
> What's the average per physician cost of malpractice insurance at your
> facility? What's the average per medical personnel cost of malpractice
> insurance at your facility?

I don't have those numbers in a form that is easy to gather -- but I can
tell you this -- our total insurance costs --- including buildings,
liability, malpractice -- you name it -- is under 1% of total Gross
Revenues -- and -- taking the contractual deductions into the equation -- it
is still 1.34% of Net Revenues.

This includes family practice docs -- ortho surgeons - general surgeons --
pediatricians --- cardio-pulmonary -- rehabs ---

We don't do major heart surgery or other surgeries of that type -- we send
them out to the specialists.

But then -- you didn't address the Texas question -- instead -- you snipped
it out --- why should anyone take you seriously?