From: Dinosaur_Sr on 22 Feb 2010 09:46
On Feb 21, 4:48 pm, "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On Feb 21, 3:45 pm, Dinosaur_Sr <frostback2...(a)att.net> wrote:
> > On Feb 20, 10:39 am, Carbon <nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
> > > On Sat, 20 Feb 2010 08:03:44 -0500, BAR wrote:
> > > > In article <hvCfn.818$BD2....(a)newsfe14.iad>, dontwr...(a)gmail.com
> > > > says...
> > > >> Oh yeah ... and I suppose "manifest destiny" was an excuse for
> > > >> imperialism. I'm sure the Mexicans weren't bothered at all by the
> > > >> theft of Texas, and how much other land?
> > > > War or the threat of war has determined the political and national
> > > > boundaries of kingdoms and countries.
> > > > One of the penalties of losing armed conflict is that your military
> > > > will may be destroyed and you may lose some or all of your territory.
> > > Ok, here's a possible future scenario. The US dollar continues to
> > > decline until it becomes nearly worthless in international trade. Cut
> > > off from world markets, the economy collapses. Unemployment skyrockets.
> > > There is widespread civil unrest. Foreign interests come in with their
> > > stronger currencies and buy up everything worth having. At that point
> > > the country will have been effectively taken over by foreign interests.
> > > Say this actually happens. Will you still be sharing your smug little
> > > stories about the survival of the fittest? What if you're the one on the
> > > losing end?
> > This will happen at some point, as it did the the UK in the early to
> > mid 20th century. If Americans continue to spend so excessively, it
> > will happen a lot sooner. As China, India, Brazil and others continue
> > to grow, they will have more and more fiscal power. As we fall into
> > the category of self absorbed, seal entitled deadbeats we will
> > decline. There is no free health care, no free housing and no free
> > lunch. FWIW, IMHO western Europe is totally done, but they don't know
> > it yet. They have no capacity to recover from this crisis. They
> > consume much and produce next to nothing.
> If that is so, then why does the U.S. have a $60.5 billion trade
> deficit with the EU?
Because we consume even more, but Americans are still very productive,
that minority that do actually work full time anyways. However the EU
produces nothing we really need, and they have no resources. When
current currencies become diluted by inflation, they will have nothing
to fall back on.
From: Dinosaur_Sr on 22 Feb 2010 09:49
On Feb 21, 5:08 pm, William Clark <wcla...(a)colnospamumbus.rr.com>
> In article
> Dinosaur_Sr <frostback2...(a)att.net> wrote:
> > On Feb 19, 8:57 am, "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Feb 19, 7:12 am, BAR <sc...(a)you.com> wrote:
> > > > In article <4b7de8c5$0$4967$9a6e1...(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>,
> > > > nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says...
> > > > > On Thu, 18 Feb 2010 19:30:41 -0500, BAR wrote:
> > > > > > In article <4b7dcb52$0$27203$9a6e1...(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>,
> > > > > > nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says...
> > > > > >> On Thu, 18 Feb 2010 08:24:00 -0800, John B. wrote:
> > > > > >>> I don't wany my access to all the above to be dependent on my
> > > > > >>> employment and how much my employer is willing to spend on health
> > > > > >>> insurance. If I were to lose my job, I wouldn't be able to afford
> > > > > >>> the medications I depend on. If I were to sell my house and take my
> > > > > >>> kids out of college so I could afford to buy my own insurance
> > > > > >>> policy, it wouldn't cover my meds because they would be deemed to be
> > > > > >>> for a pre- existing condition. What's your solution to that, Bert?
> > > > > >> Don't get sick. And if you do, die quickly.
> > > > > > Access to health care is not dependent upon employment.
> > > > > > If you were better at negotiating pay with your employer and you did a
> > > > > > better job saving money you would have enough money to pay for your
> > > > > > health care. Instead you have abdicated your personal responsibility
> > > > > > to someone else which has made you dependent upon their generosity and
> > > > > > goodwill.
> > > > > > When the teat is taken away you are lost and can't figure out where
> > > > > > your next meal is coming from.
> > > > > Thank you, but I've heard all this clueless propaganda before. I am in
> > > > > favor of universal healthcare because it is cheaper and more humane. You
> > > > > obviously do not know the first thing about it, and yet you are positive
> > > > > that you're right.
> > > > If you want Universal Health Care there are many countries around the
> > > > world that offer it and there is no one stopping you from emigrating to
> > > > any of them except you.- Hide quoted text -
> > > > - Show quoted text -
> > > Every industrialized country on earth offers universal health care
> > > except the U.S., yet the U.S. is the only one of them that's embroiled
> > > in a debate about health care.
> > Where has all the innovation and improvement in health care come from
> > over this period?
> Well. let's take one example. Hip surgery; the hip resurfacing
> operation, which is now considered the best option, especially for the
> young and active, came from the UK.
Oh boy! Bone scraping! How innovative! You want to line that one up
against all the innovations that came from the US?
From: Dinosaur_Sr on 22 Feb 2010 09:53
On Feb 21, 6:17 pm, Carbon <nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 12:27:12 -0800, Dinosaur_Sr wrote:
> > On Feb 18, 6:16 pm, Carbon <nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
> >> On Thu, 18 Feb 2010 05:18:15 +0000, assimilate wrote:
> >>> On 17-Feb-2010, Carbon <nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
> >>>>>> Obviously, that totally misses the point. The point would be the
> >>>>>> systemic corruption that makes such gross overbilling an everyday
> >>>>>> event.
> >>>>> Stop whining.
> >>>> I should just allow myself to be raped like all you ideologues,
> >>>> huh?
> >>> Better that than I get raped by your Universal Healthcare.
> >> Please find any country on the planet with universal healthcare that
> >> has higher per capita healthcare costs than the United States. Go
> >> ahead, we'll wait.
> > The govt dictates costs and service levels in those countries. In the
> > US people can choose from a free market.
> In a free market there would be competition and therefore prices at
> least somewhat in line with the cost of production. I hope you're not
> going to try to argue that either is the case with big healthcare in the
Moreso than in Canada, where the govt dictates prices. You know, if
Americans stop paying the bulk of the cost of pharmaceuticals and
related research, people like Canadians will have to pay more. That is
an injustice, IMHO, that could be redressed here. Pharmaceutical
research is declining in at least parts of the US. like say Michigan.
From: Dinosaur_Sr on 22 Feb 2010 09:55
On Feb 21, 6:46 pm, "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On Feb 21, 6:36 pm, Howard Brazee <how...(a)brazee.net> wrote:
> > On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 15:04:02 -0600, bkni...(a)conramp.net wrote:
> > >>>What would be best would be for the money to come out of sales taxes..
> > >>>That way even the slackers have to participate.
> > >>There are a lot of good reasons to replace income tax with sales tax.
> > >Name them.
> > Here's three.
> > A subsidiary company owned by a foreign company can't benefit its
> > owner by lowering its profit (by being charged more by the parent
> > company for products).
> > Sales value is simple and direct. Net profits is not. We spend a
> > lot on lawyers to define business expenses to lower taxes.
> > Progressive taxes is implemented by excluding food and medicine, not
> > by income bracketing.
> > --
> > "In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found,
> > than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace
> > to the legislature, and not to the executive department."
> > - James Madison
> Excluding food and medicine does not make for a progressive tax.
Nothing progressive at all about income tax. Rich people do not rely
on "income" as much as poor and middle class people do.
From: Dinosaur_Sr on 22 Feb 2010 09:57
On Feb 21, 9:29 pm, Carbon <nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 22 Feb 2010 02:23:08 +0000, assimilate wrote:
> > On 21-Feb-2010, "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Is there a system elsewhere in the developed world that doesn't
> >> "catch" more than 40% of its population?
> > I'm not sure where you get your figures but you are smart enough to
> > know they are false.
> All the stats which say inconvenient things are hereby wrong...
Stats that don't report EXACTLY what the data are are lies.