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From: John B. on 22 Feb 2010 15:09 On Feb 22, 2:23 pm, Dinosaur_Sr <frostback2...(a)att.net> wrote: > On Feb 22, 1:50 pm, "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Feb 22, 11:36 am, Dinosaur_Sr <frostback2...(a)att.net> wrote: > > > > On Feb 22, 11:16 am, "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Feb 22, 9:41 am, Dinosaur_Sr <frostback2...(a)att.net> wrote: > > > > > > On Feb 21, 4:02 pm, Carbon <nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 12:41:58 -0800, Dinosaur_Sr wrote: > > > > > > > Universal health care screws the poor far more than current US system. > > > > > > > Really? On what planet? > > > > > > This one. > > > > > > The poor in the US have medicaid. Medicaid provides the poor in the US > > > > > better health care than the Canadian system provides for the middle > > > > > class. The fact of this is represented by the choice medicaid people > > > > > have, and the fact they can go to any facility anywhere for service, > > > > > as long as they take medicaid, and not all do, but still, beats being > > > > > forced to go to one specific family care physician for all your health > > > > > care need, like the middle class in Canada. > > > > > > Now the rich and powerful in Canada, they have full access anytime, > > > > > better than medicaid recipients in the US, better even than people > > > > > like me on private insurance, and far better than the poor in Canada. > > > > > Fact is, the poor in US, with medicaid, have access to far better > > > > > health care than the poor in Canada. > > > > > > OF course, with a govt system, we will all get less health care, more > > > > > like Canada, and the poor will get that much less, as they always do. > > > > > Some of the poor have Medicaid. Some don't. Poverty, i.e. living below > > > > the poverty line, isn't enough to qualify someone for Medicaid. You > > > > have to be much worse off than that. In the poorer (mostly southern) > > > > states, you have to be destitute and penniless. > > > > The only reason poor people in the US don't have medicaid is because > > > they haven't signed up for it. Like in Canada, people who haven't been > > > taken on by a primary care physician don't have access to the system. > > > If organizations like ACORN really cared, they would make a big issue > > > out of going out there and making sure every poor person was signed up > > > for medicaid.- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > That is patently false. Many poor people are INELIGIBLE for Medicaid > > because they aren't poor enough. > > Really? So what is your definition of poor then?- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - My definition is irrelevant. What matters is that you can fall below the federal government's definition of poor, i.e., the poverty line, and still be ineligible for Medicaid.
From: John B. on 22 Feb 2010 15:10 On Feb 22, 2:59 pm, "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: > "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > > news:dc9a865c-478f-40c4-97b9-2e4bf7048ae2(a)e1g2000yqh.googlegroups.com... > On Feb 21, 9:31 pm, "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote:> "Carbon" <nob....(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message > > >news:4b8195e4$0$21010$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com... > > > > What would be best would be for the money to come out of sales taxes. > > > That way even the slackers have to participate. > > > I think slackers should get hit hard with a tax penalty.....$1500 minimum. > > Why should you or I pay for their irresponsibility? > > > -Greg > > And who is to decide who's a slacker and who isn't? > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > Those who have the ability to buy but care not to. What do you suggest, > John. People wait until they get sick, then buy? > > -Greg The question was: who decides who the "slackers" are. This doesn't answer it.
From: John B. on 22 Feb 2010 15:13 On Feb 22, 3:03 pm, "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: > "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > > news:aef3be6e-4de9-441b-8a55-8aef4ca021da(a)v25g2000yqk.googlegroups.com... > On Feb 22, 11:37 am, Dinosaur_Sr <frostback2...(a)att.net> wrote: > > > > > > > On Feb 22, 11:18 am, "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Feb 22, 9:43 am, Dinosaur_Sr <frostback2...(a)att.net> wrote: > > > > > On Feb 21, 4:38 pm, "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Feb 21, 3:27 pm, Dinosaur_Sr <frostback2...(a)att.net> wrote: > > > > > > > On Feb 18, 6:16 pm, Carbon <nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Thu, 18 Feb 2010 05:18:15 +0000, assimilate wrote: > > > > > > > > On 17-Feb-2010, Carbon <nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > >>>> Obviously, that totally misses the point. The point would > be the > > > > > > > >>>> systemic corruption that makes such gross overbilling an > everyday > > > > > > > >>>> event. > > > > > > > > >>> Stop whining. > > > > > > > > >> I should just allow myself to be raped like all you > ideologues, huh? > > > > > > > > > Better that than I get raped by your Universal Healthcare. > > > > > > > > Please find any country on the planet with universal healthcare > that has > > > > > > > higher per capita healthcare costs than the United States. Go > ahead, > > > > > > > we'll wait. > > > > > > > The govt dictates costs and service levels in those countries. In > the > > > > > > US people can choose from a free market. > > > > > > Yes, Americans can shop around for health insurance. They can shop > > > > > around for Bentleys and Maseratis, too. > > > > > Americans can choose to purchase the health care they want. > > > > Individuals can choose to allocate as they wish, not have the costs > > > > forced on them, in advance, by the govt. Some people choose not to pay > > > > the 10K pa or so health care costs, that's their problem. They'll pay > > > > that for a car, or a house, but not health care...so people like you > > > > want to tax people to the extend of 20K pa to get 10k worth of > > > > services delivered purely to serve the political ends of the govt.- > Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > Silly Americans, wasting their money on such frivilous luxuries as > > > housing and cars. Next thing you know, they'll want to start buying > > > food and clothing! > > > You can't have everything. You want to drive an expensive German car > > and live in a big house, and that doesn't leave enough for health > > insurance, that's your choice.- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > I didn't say anything about expensive German cars or big houses. > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > That's true. You really haven't said anything. What's your solution, John. > > -Greg- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - I don't have a solution. I just know the status quo is unacceptable. If presuming to have all the answers is a prerequisite to posting here, let me know and I'll go away.
From: William Clark on 22 Feb 2010 16:45 In article <49904568-b75d-48dd-99b5-5bfda8a3acb5(a)d27g2000yqf.googlegroups.com>, Dinosaur_Sr <frostback2002(a)att.net> wrote: > On Feb 21, 5:08�pm, William Clark <wcla...(a)colnospamumbus.rr.com> > wrote: > > In article > > <1f1f533c-c3d7-457e-afb6-15074fb87...(a)33g2000yqj.googlegroups.com>, > > > > > > > > �Dinosaur Sr <frostback2...(a)att.net> wrote: > > > On Feb 19, 8:57 am, "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Feb 19, 7:12 am, BAR <sc...(a)you.com> wrote: > > > > > > > In article <4b7de8c5$0$4967$9a6e1...(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, > > > > > nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says... > > > > > > > > On Thu, 18 Feb 2010 19:30:41 -0500, BAR wrote: > > > > > > > In article <4b7dcb52$0$27203$9a6e1...(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, > > > > > > > nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says... > > > > > > >> On Thu, 18 Feb 2010 08:24:00 -0800, John B. wrote: > > > > > > > > >>> I don't wany my access to all the above to be dependent on my > > > > > > >>> employment and how much my employer is willing to spend on > > > > > > >>> health > > > > > > >>> insurance. If I were to lose my job, I wouldn't be able to > > > > > > >>> afford > > > > > > >>> the medications I depend on. If I were to sell my house and > > > > > > >>> take my > > > > > > >>> kids out of college so I could afford to buy my own insurance > > > > > > >>> policy, it wouldn't cover my meds because they would be deemed > > > > > > >>> to be > > > > > > >>> for a pre- existing condition. What's your solution to that, > > > > > > >>> Bert? > > > > > > > > >> Don't get sick. And if you do, die quickly. > > > > > > > > > Access to health care is not dependent upon employment. > > > > > > > > > If you were better at negotiating pay with your employer and you > > > > > > > did a > > > > > > > better job saving money you would have enough money to pay for > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > health care. Instead you have abdicated your personal > > > > > > > responsibility > > > > > > > to someone else which has made you dependent upon their > > > > > > > generosity and > > > > > > > goodwill. > > > > > > > > > When the teat is taken away you are lost and can't figure out > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > your next meal is coming from. > > > > > > > > Thank you, but I've heard all this clueless propaganda before. I am > > > > > > in > > > > > > favor of universal healthcare because it is cheaper and more > > > > > > humane. You > > > > > > obviously do not know the first thing about it, and yet you are > > > > > > positive > > > > > > that you're right. > > > > > > > If you want Universal Health Care there are many countries around the > > > > > world that offer it and there is no one stopping you from emigrating > > > > > to > > > > > any of them except you.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > Every industrialized country on earth offers universal health care > > > > except the U.S., yet the U.S. is the only one of them that's embroiled > > > > in a debate about health care. > > > > > Where has all the innovation and improvement in health care come from > > > over this period? > > > > Well. let's take one example. Hip surgery; the hip resurfacing > > operation, which is now considered the best option, especially for the > > young and active, came from the UK. > > > > Oops. > > Oh boy! Bone scraping! How innovative! You want to line that one up > against all the innovations that came from the US? Well, we could add to that, but this just shows how chlldishly simplistic your postulate was. Where, for example, was the first heart transplant performed? Yawn.
From: William Clark on 22 Feb 2010 16:49
In article <a2ef6843-e23d-4282-98b3-8bf670aab976(a)g11g2000yqe.googlegroups.com>, Dinosaur_Sr <frostback2002(a)att.net> wrote: > On Feb 22, 1:51�pm, "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > On Feb 22, 11:37�am, Dinosaur Sr <frostback2...(a)att.net> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Feb 22, 11:18�am, "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Feb 22, 9:43�am, Dinosaur Sr <frostback2...(a)att.net> wrote: > > > > > > > On Feb 21, 4:38�pm, "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Feb 21, 3:27�pm, Dinosaur Sr <frostback2...(a)att.net> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Feb 18, 6:16�pm, Carbon <nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 18 Feb 2010 05:18:15 +0000, assimilate wrote: > > > > > > > > > On 17-Feb-2010, Carbon <nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >>>> Obviously, that totally misses the point. The point would > > > > > > > > >>>> be the > > > > > > > > >>>> systemic corruption that makes such gross overbilling an > > > > > > > > >>>> everyday > > > > > > > > >>>> event. > > > > > > > > > > >>> Stop whining. > > > > > > > > > > >> I should just allow myself to be raped like all you > > > > > > > > >> ideologues, huh? > > > > > > > > > > > Better that than I get raped by your Universal Healthcare. > > > > > > > > > > Please find any country on the planet with universal healthcare > > > > > > > > that has > > > > > > > > higher per capita healthcare costs than the United States. Go > > > > > > > > ahead, > > > > > > > > we'll wait. > > > > > > > > > The govt dictates costs and service levels in those countries. In > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > US people can choose from a free market. > > > > > > > > Yes, Americans can shop around for health insurance. �They can shop > > > > > > around for Bentleys and Maseratis, too. > > > > > > > Americans can choose to purchase the health care they want. > > > > > Individuals can choose to allocate as they wish, not have the costs > > > > > forced on them, in advance, by the govt. Some people choose not to > > > > > pay > > > > > the 10K pa or so health care costs, that's their problem. They'll pay > > > > > that for a car, or a house, but not health care...so people like you > > > > > want to tax people to the extend of 20K pa to get 10k worth of > > > > > services delivered purely to serve the political ends of the govt.- > > > > > Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > Silly Americans, wasting their money on such frivilous luxuries as > > > > housing and cars. Next thing you know, they'll want to start buying > > > > food and clothing! > > > > > You can't have everything. You want to drive an expensive German car > > > and live in a big house, and that doesn't leave enough for health > > > insurance, that's your choice.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > I didn't say anything about expensive German cars or big houses. > > Doesn't matter what kind of car it is. Take the bus. It's a matter of > allocating your own personal wealth to serve your own needs. No, because most cities in the US don't have public transport. The likes of you and Bertie aren't willing to pay for that either. |