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From: BAR on 22 Feb 2010 19:15 In article <4b8307e0$0$5115$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says... > > On Mon, 22 Feb 2010 15:27:15 +0000, assimilate wrote: > > On 21-Feb-2010, Howard Brazee <howard(a)brazee.net> wrote: > >> > >>> Cost here, life expectancy there. Are you suggesting that actual > >>> facts in the form of verifiable statistics are somehow more > >>> "superficial" than your and Bert's ideologically driven rants? > >>> You're kidding, right? > >> > >> This is becoming stylish. Periodically it becomes politically > >> successful to rail against intellectuals. Not to the extent that > >> Pol Pot did (killing everybody who wore glasses), but close to Sarah > >> Palin levels. > >> > >> When people do this, a common thing is to give all opinions the same > >> weight. Evidence doesn't matter. > > > > statistics are not evidence as they can be played with to support any > > opinion under the sun > > So you keep saying. Funny, you haven't produced even the slightest > argument as to what could be wrong with: > > 1. Cost of healthcare per capita as a percentage of GDP. When reporters asked Shepard what he thought about as he sat atop the Redstone rocket, waiting for liftoff, he had replied, 'The fact that every part of this ship was built by the low bidder.' > 2. Average life expectancy by country. What's more important, quality of life or length of life? I did more by the age of 30 than you've done in your entire life.
From: Carbon on 22 Feb 2010 19:28 On Mon, 22 Feb 2010 19:15:43 -0500, BAR wrote: > In article <4b8307e0$0$5115$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, > nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says... > >> 1. Cost of healthcare per capita as a percentage of GDP. > > When reporters asked Shepard what he thought about as he sat atop the > Redstone rocket, waiting for liftoff, he had replied, 'The fact that > every part of this ship was built by the low bidder.' > >> 2. Average life expectancy by country. > > What's more important, quality of life or length of life? I did more > by the age of 30 than you've done in your entire life. The problem is that while the US outspends every single country on the planet in healthcare, its health outcomes are terrible. Fully four dozen countries have better average life expectancies than the US. It's unjust and it's corrupt, but mostly it's just inefficient.
From: Carbon on 22 Feb 2010 19:29 On Mon, 22 Feb 2010 19:08:52 -0500, BAR wrote: > In article <4b8309b0$0$5117$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, > nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says... >> On Mon, 22 Feb 2010 07:29:32 -0500, BAR wrote: >>> In article <4b827036$0$4863$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, >>> nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says... >>>> On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 23:59:29 -0800, dene wrote: >>>>> "Carbon" <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message >>>>> news:4b81ec78$0$30861$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com... >>>>> >>>>>> And if you lose your job and can't find another one due to the >>>>>> recession? What then? >>>>> >>>>> You take a lesser job or both the man and wife work. You can also >>>>> give back the house and rent. Choices... >>>> >>>> You can't raise kids on minimum wage. >>> >>> You could in my county. You'd get practically free housing, your >>> childrens breakfast and lunch would be free. Health care for the >>> entire family would be free. Income taxes would be 0 and the EIC >>> would get you a nice little check at the end of the year too. >> >> You have a rich fantasy life. > > No, I live in a rich county. > > http://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/dhctmpl.asp? > url=/Content/DHCA/housing/housing_P/mpdu.asp > > http://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/foodserv/farms/applicatio > n.shtm > > http://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/hhstmpl.asp? > url=/content/hhs/phs/index.asp#ahcs > > http://www.irs.gov/individuals/article/0,,id=96406,00.html What is the minimum wage? Do you even know?
From: BAR on 22 Feb 2010 19:37 In article <4b832127$0$4888$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says... > > On Mon, 22 Feb 2010 19:15:43 -0500, BAR wrote: > > In article <4b8307e0$0$5115$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, > > nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says... > > > >> 1. Cost of healthcare per capita as a percentage of GDP. > > > > When reporters asked Shepard what he thought about as he sat atop the > > Redstone rocket, waiting for liftoff, he had replied, 'The fact that > > every part of this ship was built by the low bidder.' > > > >> 2. Average life expectancy by country. > > > > What's more important, quality of life or length of life? I did more > > by the age of 30 than you've done in your entire life. > > The problem is that while the US outspends every single country on the > planet in healthcare, its health outcomes are terrible. Fully four dozen > countries have better average life expectancies than the US. It's unjust > and it's corrupt, but mostly it's just inefficient. Why is life expectancy your only measure of a satisfactory health care system? My wife's grandfather had a pacemaker put in and the damn thing kept him alive for five years. Every time his body said it was time to go the pacemaker said nope, here is a couple of volts to keep you going. The guy was bed ridden, couldn't feed himself, couldn't recognize anyone and was combative as hell due to him not knowing what was happening. It was a hell of an existence. Instead of dying at 83 he laid around in a bed having someone take care of him for five years until he finally died five years later.
From: BAR on 22 Feb 2010 19:38
In article <4b832166$0$4888$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says... > > On Mon, 22 Feb 2010 19:08:52 -0500, BAR wrote: > > In article <4b8309b0$0$5117$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, > > nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says... > >> On Mon, 22 Feb 2010 07:29:32 -0500, BAR wrote: > >>> In article <4b827036$0$4863$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, > >>> nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says... > >>>> On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 23:59:29 -0800, dene wrote: > >>>>> "Carbon" <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message > >>>>> news:4b81ec78$0$30861$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com... > >>>>> > >>>>>> And if you lose your job and can't find another one due to the > >>>>>> recession? What then? > >>>>> > >>>>> You take a lesser job or both the man and wife work. You can also > >>>>> give back the house and rent. Choices... > >>>> > >>>> You can't raise kids on minimum wage. > >>> > >>> You could in my county. You'd get practically free housing, your > >>> childrens breakfast and lunch would be free. Health care for the > >>> entire family would be free. Income taxes would be 0 and the EIC > >>> would get you a nice little check at the end of the year too. > >> > >> You have a rich fantasy life. > > > > No, I live in a rich county. > > > > http://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/dhctmpl.asp? > > url=/Content/DHCA/housing/housing_P/mpdu.asp > > > > http://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/foodserv/farms/applicatio > > n.shtm > > > > http://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/hhstmpl.asp? > > url=/content/hhs/phs/index.asp#ahcs > > > > http://www.irs.gov/individuals/article/0,,id=96406,00.html > > What is the minimum wage? Do you even know? I don't know. The last time I worked for minimum wage it was $2.10 per hour. |