From: Carbon on
On Mon, 22 Feb 2010 19:37:35 -0500, BAR wrote:
> In article <4b832127$0$4888$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>,
> nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says...
>> On Mon, 22 Feb 2010 19:15:43 -0500, BAR wrote:
>>> In article <4b8307e0$0$5115$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>,
>>> nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says...
>>>
>>>> 1. Cost of healthcare per capita as a percentage of GDP.
>>>
>>> When reporters asked Shepard what he thought about as he sat atop
>>> the Redstone rocket, waiting for liftoff, he had replied, 'The fact
>>> that every part of this ship was built by the low bidder.'
>>>
>>>> 2. Average life expectancy by country.
>>>
>>> What's more important, quality of life or length of life? I did more
>>> by the age of 30 than you've done in your entire life.
>>
>> The problem is that while the US outspends every single country on
>> the planet in healthcare, its health outcomes are terrible. Fully
>> four dozen countries have better average life expectancies than the
>> US. It's unjust and it's corrupt, but mostly it's just inefficient.
>
> Why is life expectancy your only measure of a satisfactory health care
> system?

There are other measures of course, but I like life average expectancy
because it delivers hard, verifiable numbers about how good a job does
of keeping its citizens alive. Coupled with the cost per capita cite,
there is insight into how efficiently a country provides healthcare for
its citizens. It would appear that the US healthcare system is very
inefficient compared with dozens of other countries.

And, it doesn't hurt that average life expectancy cite comes from the
CIA's own World Fact Book. http://goo.gl/fZQW
From: Jack Hollis on
On Mon, 22 Feb 2010 02:48:00 GMT, assimilate(a)borg.org wrote:

>On 21-Feb-2010, Jack Hollis <xsleeper(a)aol.com> wrote:
>
>> There may be good arguments for a national sales tax to replace the
>> income tax, but I can think of one big argument against it - my wife.
>
>heh
>
>--
>bill-o

My wife is a world class shopper. I'm surprised that UPS and FedX
haven't asked to open a sub-station at my house. I know all the
drivers. They wave at me when I drive around town.
From: Howard Brazee on
On Mon, 22 Feb 2010 19:45:39 -0500, William Clark
<wclark2(a)colnospamumbus.rr.com> wrote:

>More like an immensely powerful automobile lobby that has poured untold
>millions into squashing public transport plans all over the US. School
>bussing would not be necessary if there was adequate public transport
>everywhere.

I'm not sure most Americans are willing to have young children taking
public transportation even if it were adequate for the task.

--
"In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found,
than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace
to the legislature, and not to the executive department."

- James Madison
From: Howard Brazee on
On Mon, 22 Feb 2010 19:15:43 -0500, BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote:

>> 2. Average life expectancy by country.
>
>What's more important, quality of life or length of life? I did more by
>the age of 30 than you've done in your entire life.

So how do we evaluate & measure various health programs on quality of
life?

--
"In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found,
than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace
to the legislature, and not to the executive department."

- James Madison
From: Howard Brazee on
On Mon, 22 Feb 2010 19:37:35 -0500, BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote:

>> The problem is that while the US outspends every single country on the
>> planet in healthcare, its health outcomes are terrible. Fully four dozen
>> countries have better average life expectancies than the US. It's unjust
>> and it's corrupt, but mostly it's just inefficient.
>
>Why is life expectancy your only measure of a satisfactory health care
>system?

What measure do you suggest we use?

--
"In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found,
than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace
to the legislature, and not to the executive department."

- James Madison