From: Carbon on 22 Feb 2010 20:40 On Mon, 22 Feb 2010 18:37:33 -0700, Howard Brazee wrote: > On Mon, 22 Feb 2010 19:37:35 -0500, BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote: > >>> The problem is that while the US outspends every single country on >>> the planet in healthcare, its health outcomes are terrible. Fully >>> four dozen countries have better average life expectancies than the >>> US. It's unjust and it's corrupt, but mostly it's just inefficient. >> >> Why is life expectancy your only measure of a satisfactory health >> care system? > > What measure do you suggest we use? One that provides a more convenient answer.
From: William Clark on 22 Feb 2010 20:56 In article <k3c6o597n4l0agusrmmtfcjtqusgp0jq8s(a)4ax.com>, Howard Brazee <howard(a)brazee.net> wrote: > On Mon, 22 Feb 2010 19:45:39 -0500, William Clark > <wclark2(a)colnospamumbus.rr.com> wrote: > > >More like an immensely powerful automobile lobby that has poured untold > >millions into squashing public transport plans all over the US. School > >bussing would not be necessary if there was adequate public transport > >everywhere. > > I'm not sure most Americans are willing to have young children taking > public transportation even if it were adequate for the task. There's safety in numbers and habit.
From: William Clark on 22 Feb 2010 20:57 In article <4b83273d$0$4889$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, Carbon <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote: > On Mon, 22 Feb 2010 19:37:35 -0500, BAR wrote: > > In article <4b832127$0$4888$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, > > nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says... > >> On Mon, 22 Feb 2010 19:15:43 -0500, BAR wrote: > >>> In article <4b8307e0$0$5115$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>, > >>> nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says... > >>> > >>>> 1. Cost of healthcare per capita as a percentage of GDP. > >>> > >>> When reporters asked Shepard what he thought about as he sat atop > >>> the Redstone rocket, waiting for liftoff, he had replied, 'The fact > >>> that every part of this ship was built by the low bidder.' > >>> > >>>> 2. Average life expectancy by country. > >>> > >>> What's more important, quality of life or length of life? I did more > >>> by the age of 30 than you've done in your entire life. > >> > >> The problem is that while the US outspends every single country on > >> the planet in healthcare, its health outcomes are terrible. Fully > >> four dozen countries have better average life expectancies than the > >> US. It's unjust and it's corrupt, but mostly it's just inefficient. > > > > Why is life expectancy your only measure of a satisfactory health care > > system? > > There are other measures of course, but I like life average expectancy > because it delivers hard, verifiable numbers about how good a job does > of keeping its citizens alive. Coupled with the cost per capita cite, > there is insight into how efficiently a country provides healthcare for > its citizens. It would appear that the US healthcare system is very > inefficient compared with dozens of other countries. > > And, it doesn't hurt that average life expectancy cite comes from the > CIA's own World Fact Book. http://goo.gl/fZQW Oh, dear, oh, dear. Don't keep telling them that, it quite spoils their day.
From: dene on 22 Feb 2010 21:03 "John B." <johnb505(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:90178aae-44c8-4bae-ab42-337d5c16c990(a)15g2000yqi.googlegroups.com... On Feb 22, 2:59 pm, "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote: > "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > > news:dc9a865c-478f-40c4-97b9-2e4bf7048ae2(a)e1g2000yqh.googlegroups.com... > On Feb 21, 9:31 pm, "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote:> "Carbon" <nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message > > >news:4b8195e4$0$21010$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com... > > > > What would be best would be for the money to come out of sales taxes. > > > That way even the slackers have to participate. > > > I think slackers should get hit hard with a tax penalty.....$1500 minimum. > > Why should you or I pay for their irresponsibility? > > > -Greg > > And who is to decide who's a slacker and who isn't? > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > Those who have the ability to buy but care not to. What do you suggest, > John. People wait until they get sick, then buy? > > -Greg The question was: who decides who the "slackers" are. This doesn't answer it. ------------------------------------------------------ Taxable income is a good indicator. Now answer my question. -Greg
From: assimilate on 22 Feb 2010 21:04
On 22-Feb-2010, Howard Brazee <howard(a)brazee.net> wrote: > > > >The objection centers around loss of freedom. There is no way a govt > >delivered system can provide the options a private system can. > > So why do people keep bring up cost, if that isn't the objection? It is a red herring obviously. -- bill-o |