From: Carbon on
On Mon, 22 Feb 2010 18:37:33 -0700, Howard Brazee wrote:
> On Mon, 22 Feb 2010 19:37:35 -0500, BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote:
>
>>> The problem is that while the US outspends every single country on
>>> the planet in healthcare, its health outcomes are terrible. Fully
>>> four dozen countries have better average life expectancies than the
>>> US. It's unjust and it's corrupt, but mostly it's just inefficient.
>>
>> Why is life expectancy your only measure of a satisfactory health
>> care system?
>
> What measure do you suggest we use?

One that provides a more convenient answer.
From: William Clark on
In article <k3c6o597n4l0agusrmmtfcjtqusgp0jq8s(a)4ax.com>,
Howard Brazee <howard(a)brazee.net> wrote:

> On Mon, 22 Feb 2010 19:45:39 -0500, William Clark
> <wclark2(a)colnospamumbus.rr.com> wrote:
>
> >More like an immensely powerful automobile lobby that has poured untold
> >millions into squashing public transport plans all over the US. School
> >bussing would not be necessary if there was adequate public transport
> >everywhere.
>
> I'm not sure most Americans are willing to have young children taking
> public transportation even if it were adequate for the task.

There's safety in numbers and habit.
From: William Clark on
In article <4b83273d$0$4889$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>,
Carbon <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote:

> On Mon, 22 Feb 2010 19:37:35 -0500, BAR wrote:
> > In article <4b832127$0$4888$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>,
> > nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says...
> >> On Mon, 22 Feb 2010 19:15:43 -0500, BAR wrote:
> >>> In article <4b8307e0$0$5115$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>,
> >>> nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says...
> >>>
> >>>> 1. Cost of healthcare per capita as a percentage of GDP.
> >>>
> >>> When reporters asked Shepard what he thought about as he sat atop
> >>> the Redstone rocket, waiting for liftoff, he had replied, 'The fact
> >>> that every part of this ship was built by the low bidder.'
> >>>
> >>>> 2. Average life expectancy by country.
> >>>
> >>> What's more important, quality of life or length of life? I did more
> >>> by the age of 30 than you've done in your entire life.
> >>
> >> The problem is that while the US outspends every single country on
> >> the planet in healthcare, its health outcomes are terrible. Fully
> >> four dozen countries have better average life expectancies than the
> >> US. It's unjust and it's corrupt, but mostly it's just inefficient.
> >
> > Why is life expectancy your only measure of a satisfactory health care
> > system?
>
> There are other measures of course, but I like life average expectancy
> because it delivers hard, verifiable numbers about how good a job does
> of keeping its citizens alive. Coupled with the cost per capita cite,
> there is insight into how efficiently a country provides healthcare for
> its citizens. It would appear that the US healthcare system is very
> inefficient compared with dozens of other countries.
>
> And, it doesn't hurt that average life expectancy cite comes from the
> CIA's own World Fact Book. http://goo.gl/fZQW

Oh, dear, oh, dear. Don't keep telling them that, it quite spoils their
day.
From: dene on

"John B." <johnb505(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Feb 22, 2:59 pm, "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote:
> "John B." <johnb...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:dc9a865c-478f-40c4-97b9-2e4bf7048ae2(a)e1g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...
> On Feb 21, 9:31 pm, "dene" <d...(a)remove.ipns.com> wrote:> "Carbon"
<nob...(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:4b8195e4$0$21010$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com...
>
> > > What would be best would be for the money to come out of sales taxes.
> > > That way even the slackers have to participate.
>
> > I think slackers should get hit hard with a tax penalty.....$1500
minimum.
> > Why should you or I pay for their irresponsibility?
>
> > -Greg
>
> And who is to decide who's a slacker and who isn't?
>
> -------------------------------------------------------
>
> Those who have the ability to buy but care not to. What do you suggest,
> John. People wait until they get sick, then buy?
>
> -Greg

The question was: who decides who the "slackers" are. This doesn't
answer it.

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Taxable income is a good indicator. Now answer my question.

-Greg


From: assimilate on

On 22-Feb-2010, Howard Brazee <howard(a)brazee.net> wrote:

> >
> >The objection centers around loss of freedom. There is no way a govt
> >delivered system can provide the options a private system can.
>
> So why do people keep bring up cost, if that isn't the objection?

It is a red herring obviously.

--
bill-o