From: BAR on
In article <wclark2-9FCDE9.19482822022010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio-
state.edu>, wclark2(a)colnospamumbus.rr.com says...
>
> In article <MPG.25ece83e6899724f989c43(a)news.giganews.com>,
> BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote:
>
> > In article <4b8307e0$0$5115$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>,
> > nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says...
> > >
> > > On Mon, 22 Feb 2010 15:27:15 +0000, assimilate wrote:
> > > > On 21-Feb-2010, Howard Brazee <howard(a)brazee.net> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>> Cost here, life expectancy there. Are you suggesting that actual
> > > >>> facts in the form of verifiable statistics are somehow more
> > > >>> "superficial" than your and Bert's ideologically driven rants?
> > > >>> You're kidding, right?
> > > >>
> > > >> This is becoming stylish. Periodically it becomes politically
> > > >> successful to rail against intellectuals. Not to the extent that
> > > >> Pol Pot did (killing everybody who wore glasses), but close to Sarah
> > > >> Palin levels.
> > > >>
> > > >> When people do this, a common thing is to give all opinions the same
> > > >> weight. Evidence doesn't matter.
> > > >
> > > > statistics are not evidence as they can be played with to support any
> > > > opinion under the sun
> > >
> > > So you keep saying. Funny, you haven't produced even the slightest
> > > argument as to what could be wrong with:
> > >
> > > 1. Cost of healthcare per capita as a percentage of GDP.
> >
> > When reporters asked Shepard what he thought about as he sat atop the
> > Redstone rocket, waiting for liftoff, he had replied, 'The fact that
> > every part of this ship was built by the low bidder.'
>
> And the result was hailed as a great American triumph. Your point, then?

If you weren't an adrenaline junkie would you have taking the ride?

> >
> > > 2. Average life expectancy by country.
> >
> > What's more important, quality of life or length of life? I did more by
> > the age of 30 than you've done in your entire life.
>
> I think anyone with experience would put the quality of life in many
> European countries as at least as good as in the US.

Why isn't it better?
From: BAR on
In article <d7c6o551gseh5i5p1s6v12h1uocp68b0id(a)4ax.com>,
howard(a)brazee.net says...
>
> On Mon, 22 Feb 2010 19:15:43 -0500, BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote:
>
> >> 2. Average life expectancy by country.
> >
> >What's more important, quality of life or length of life? I did more by
> >the age of 30 than you've done in your entire life.
>
> So how do we evaluate & measure various health programs on quality of
> life?

It is difficult, if not impossible to perform an objective study on
quality of life.

But, measuring quality of health care based upon how many years grandma
and grandpa sit in front of the TV waiting for the kids to come by and
visit doesn't seem right either.

Living is existence. Existence is not living.
From: BAR on
In article <4b833e5b$0$5102$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>,
nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says...
>
> On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 02:12:49 +0000, assimilate wrote:
> > On 22-Feb-2010, Carbon <nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
> >
> >> So you keep saying. Funny, you haven't produced even the slightest
> >> argument as to what could be wrong with:
> >>
> >> 1. Cost of healthcare per capita as a percentage of GDP.
> >
> > Irrelavent: it does not represent the real cost, especially in UH
> > countries
>
> Please share your specific objections to the methods used by the World
> Health Organization. Aside from the fact that they arrive at totals that
> you don't like.
>
> >> 2. Average life expectancy by country.
> >
> > Again irrelavent. Lifestyle determines LE more than healthcare.
>
> Other than things like out and about rhyming with boot, Canada is very
> very similar to the US in diet, in culture, standard of living, etc. Yet
> Canadians have an average life expectancy several years greater than
> Americans. What could possibly account for this startling difference?

The cold winter preserves them better.



From: William Clark on
In article <MPG.25ed99b7166d9035989c48(a)news.giganews.com>,
BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote:

> In article <wclark2-9FCDE9.19482822022010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio-
> state.edu>, wclark2(a)colnospamumbus.rr.com says...
> >
> > In article <MPG.25ece83e6899724f989c43(a)news.giganews.com>,
> > BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote:
> >
> > > In article <4b8307e0$0$5115$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com>,
> > > nobrac(a)nospam.tampabay.rr.com says...
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, 22 Feb 2010 15:27:15 +0000, assimilate wrote:
> > > > > On 21-Feb-2010, Howard Brazee <howard(a)brazee.net> wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >>> Cost here, life expectancy there. Are you suggesting that actual
> > > > >>> facts in the form of verifiable statistics are somehow more
> > > > >>> "superficial" than your and Bert's ideologically driven rants?
> > > > >>> You're kidding, right?
> > > > >>
> > > > >> This is becoming stylish. Periodically it becomes politically
> > > > >> successful to rail against intellectuals. Not to the extent that
> > > > >> Pol Pot did (killing everybody who wore glasses), but close to Sarah
> > > > >> Palin levels.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> When people do this, a common thing is to give all opinions the same
> > > > >> weight. Evidence doesn't matter.
> > > > >
> > > > > statistics are not evidence as they can be played with to support any
> > > > > opinion under the sun
> > > >
> > > > So you keep saying. Funny, you haven't produced even the slightest
> > > > argument as to what could be wrong with:
> > > >
> > > > 1. Cost of healthcare per capita as a percentage of GDP.
> > >
> > > When reporters asked Shepard what he thought about as he sat atop the
> > > Redstone rocket, waiting for liftoff, he had replied, 'The fact that
> > > every part of this ship was built by the low bidder.'
> >
> > And the result was hailed as a great American triumph. Your point, then?
>
> If you weren't an adrenaline junkie would you have taking the ride?

Why not? You only live once (and not quite so long in this country ;-)).
>
> > >
> > > > 2. Average life expectancy by country.
> > >
> > > What's more important, quality of life or length of life? I did more by
> > > the age of 30 than you've done in your entire life.
> >
> > I think anyone with experience would put the quality of life in many
> > European countries as at least as good as in the US.
>
> Why isn't it better?

Well, in reality it is, but I didn't want to get you too hysterical late
at night.
From: William Clark on
In article <MPG.25ed990a78f08341989c46(a)news.giganews.com>,
BAR <screw(a)you.com> wrote:

> In article <wclark2-8DA611.19453922022010(a)charm.magnus.acs.ohio-
> state.edu>, wclark2(a)colnospamumbus.rr.com says...
> >
> > More like an immensely powerful automobile lobby that has poured untold
> > millions into squashing public transport plans all over the US. School
> > bussing would not be necessary if there was adequate public transport
> > everywhere.
> >
>
> When my children boarded their bus to attend their middle school they
> passed two or three other middle schools before reaching their middle
> school.
>
> My children's cluster high school, the one the school board says they
> have to attend, is farther in distance from my house than two other high
> schools.
>
> If you had paid any attention to the public transportation system on
> your recent visit to the DC area you would have noticed that it is based
> upon spoke and hub. For me to take public transportation to work it
> would take about 1 hour and 20 minutes. This would involve a bus ride, a
> subway ride and another bus ride. The same trip in a car can take 20
> minutes. The distance is 11.5 miles.

I used to work in central London, and lived 12 miles to the south. My
train commute was fifteen minutes, and door to door was a total of
twenty. That is public transport.

The DC public transport system is irrelevant here, since it closes down
at the sight of a snowflake.