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From: glfnaz on 23 Aug 2006 20:59 "David Laville" <dlaville(a)worldnet.att.net> wrote in message news:u2ipe299rt0at7bt3omuh4pvq3se73g9nm(a)4ax.com... > On 23 Aug 2006 09:39:53 -0700, blakestah(a)gmail.com wrote: > >>There is no two-plane swing. > > Yes there is and the majority of tour players use it. The club starts > on the plane of the club at address and shifts to a plane that runs > through the right shoulder position at the top.> David Laville, G.S.E.M. > The Golfing Machine Authorized Instructor > TB-8982 I'd like to argue that there is no one plane swing, there is no 2 plane swing, there is only a swing that has the club go through *multiple planes* as it elevates above parallel.
From: David Laville on 23 Aug 2006 22:04 On Wed, 23 Aug 2006 17:59:39 -0700, "glfnaz" <glfnaz(a)qwesttrash.com> wrote: >>>There is no two-plane swing. >> >> Yes there is and the majority of tour players use it. The club starts >> on the plane of the club at address and shifts to a plane that runs >> through the right shoulder position at the top.> David Laville, G.S.E.M. >> The Golfing Machine Authorized Instructor >> TB-8982 > >I'd like to argue that there is no one plane swing, there is no 2 plane >swing, there is only a swing that has the club go through *multiple planes* >as it elevates above parallel. This is a more precise way of looking at it; The club doesn't swing on a plane, it swings on more if a curved path as Dr. Mann pointed out. I agree with him on this because I've analyzed countless swings when I was learning all this TGM stuff and if you put a dot on the clubhead frame for frame and then connect the dots they don't form a straight line, they follow a slight curve. Planes are named according to the reference points on which they are set. As an example, the hands plane would be a plane that was resting on the hands, a shoulder plane would be a plane resting on the shoulders. If a player is said to be using a shoulder plane the curve of the clubs path will pass through the shoulder. If the player is said to be using an elbow plane the curve of the clubs path will pass through the elbow. So to sum it up, the club follows a path and that path will pass through a point the plane uses as a reference. David Laville, G.S.E.M. The Golfing Machine Authorized Instructor TB-8982
From: glfnaz on 23 Aug 2006 23:05 "David Laville" <dlaville(a)worldnet.att.net> wrote in message news:r01qe25thr6ngvhm75of60hhilh1vlb1r8(a)4ax.com... > On Wed, 23 Aug 2006 17:59:39 -0700, "glfnaz" <glfnaz(a)qwesttrash.com> > wrote: > >>>>There is no two-plane swing. >>> >>> Yes there is and the majority of tour players use it. The club starts >>> on the plane of the club at address and shifts to a plane that runs >>> through the right shoulder position at the top.> David Laville, G.S.E.M. >>> The Golfing Machine Authorized Instructor >>> TB-8982 >> >>I'd like to argue that there is no one plane swing, there is no 2 plane >>swing, there is only a swing that has the club go through *multiple >>planes* >>as it elevates above parallel. > > This is a more precise way of looking at it; The club doesn't swing > on a plane, it swings on more if a curved path as Dr. Mann pointed > out. I agree with him on this because I've analyzed countless swings > when I was learning all this TGM stuff and if you put a dot on the > clubhead frame for frame and then connect the dots they don't form a > straight line, they follow a slight curve. > > Planes are named according to the reference points on which they are > set. As an example, the hands plane would be a plane that was resting > on the hands, a shoulder plane would be a plane resting on the > shoulders. If a player is said to be using a shoulder plane the curve > of the clubs path will pass through the shoulder. If the player is > said to be using an elbow plane the curve of the clubs path will pass > through the elbow. > > So to sum it up, the club follows a path and that path will pass > through a point the plane uses as a reference. > > > David Laville, G.S.E.M. > The Golfing Machine Authorized Instructor > TB-8982 I've followed your earlier comments on this as well, then studied the geometry from TGM. In A Nutshell: If the base of the plane is a straight line, then.... Then the higher the arms elevate the club, the shaft * must * become steeper to continue to point to the baseline of the plane. bg
From: Birdie Bill on 23 Aug 2006 23:25 glfnaz wrote: > "David Laville" <dlaville(a)worldnet.att.net> wrote in message > news:r01qe25thr6ngvhm75of60hhilh1vlb1r8(a)4ax.com... > > On Wed, 23 Aug 2006 17:59:39 -0700, "glfnaz" <glfnaz(a)qwesttrash.com> > > wrote: > > > >>>>There is no two-plane swing. > >>> > >>> Yes there is and the majority of tour players use it. The club starts > >>> on the plane of the club at address and shifts to a plane that runs > >>> through the right shoulder position at the top.> David Laville, G.S.E.M. > >>> The Golfing Machine Authorized Instructor > >>> TB-8982 > >> > >>I'd like to argue that there is no one plane swing, there is no 2 plane > >>swing, there is only a swing that has the club go through *multiple > >>planes* > >>as it elevates above parallel. > > > > This is a more precise way of looking at it; The club doesn't swing > > on a plane, it swings on more if a curved path as Dr. Mann pointed > > out. I agree with him on this because I've analyzed countless swings > > when I was learning all this TGM stuff and if you put a dot on the > > clubhead frame for frame and then connect the dots they don't form a > > straight line, they follow a slight curve. > > > > Planes are named according to the reference points on which they are > > set. As an example, the hands plane would be a plane that was resting > > on the hands, a shoulder plane would be a plane resting on the > > shoulders. If a player is said to be using a shoulder plane the curve > > of the clubs path will pass through the shoulder. If the player is > > said to be using an elbow plane the curve of the clubs path will pass > > through the elbow. > > > > So to sum it up, the club follows a path and that path will pass > > through a point the plane uses as a reference. > > > > > > David Laville, G.S.E.M. > > The Golfing Machine Authorized Instructor > > TB-8982 > > I've followed your earlier comments on this as well, then studied the > geometry from TGM. > In A Nutshell: > If the base of the plane is a straight line, then.... > Then the higher the arms elevate the club, the shaft * must * become > steeper to continue to point to the baseline of the plane. > bg Yes, but... you don't have to swing that way. At my GolfTec lesson they showed me a swing of Tiger's at the 3/4 position where the shaft is parallel to the shaft address plane. That's what Haney teaches, and I guess Tiger has jumped onboard. I'll see if I can dig up a photo.
From: glfnaz on 23 Aug 2006 23:49
"Birdie Bill" <bighorn_bill(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message news:1156389927.509662.253510(a)i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... > > glfnaz wrote: >> "David Laville" <dlaville(a)worldnet.att.net> wrote in message >> news:r01qe25thr6ngvhm75of60hhilh1vlb1r8(a)4ax.com... >> > On Wed, 23 Aug 2006 17:59:39 -0700, "glfnaz" <glfnaz(a)qwesttrash.com> >> > wrote: >> > >> >>>>There is no two-plane swing. >> >>> >> >>> Yes there is and the majority of tour players use it. The club >> >>> starts >> >>> on the plane of the club at address and shifts to a plane that runs >> >>> through the right shoulder position at the top.> David Laville, >> >>> G.S.E.M. >> >>> The Golfing Machine Authorized Instructor >> >>> TB-8982 >> >> >> >>I'd like to argue that there is no one plane swing, there is no 2 plane >> >>swing, there is only a swing that has the club go through *multiple >> >>planes* >> >>as it elevates above parallel. >> > >> > This is a more precise way of looking at it; The club doesn't swing >> > on a plane, it swings on more if a curved path as Dr. Mann pointed >> > out. I agree with him on this because I've analyzed countless swings >> > when I was learning all this TGM stuff and if you put a dot on the >> > clubhead frame for frame and then connect the dots they don't form a >> > straight line, they follow a slight curve. >> > >> > Planes are named according to the reference points on which they are >> > set. As an example, the hands plane would be a plane that was resting >> > on the hands, a shoulder plane would be a plane resting on the >> > shoulders. If a player is said to be using a shoulder plane the curve >> > of the clubs path will pass through the shoulder. If the player is >> > said to be using an elbow plane the curve of the clubs path will pass >> > through the elbow. >> > >> > So to sum it up, the club follows a path and that path will pass >> > through a point the plane uses as a reference. >> > >> > >> > David Laville, G.S.E.M. >> > The Golfing Machine Authorized Instructor >> > TB-8982 >> >> I've followed your earlier comments on this as well, then studied the >> geometry from TGM. >> In A Nutshell: >> If the base of the plane is a straight line, then.... >> Then the higher the arms elevate the club, the shaft * must * become >> steeper to continue to point to the baseline of the plane. >> bg > > Yes, but... you don't have to swing that way. At my GolfTec lesson > they showed me a swing of Tiger's at the 3/4 position where the > shaft is parallel to the shaft address plane. That's what Haney > teaches, and I guess Tiger has jumped onboard. I'll see if I can > dig up a photo. > F L A T and off -plane, and Tiger does not swing that way. Neither does poster boy O'Meara. Kellie Kehnie comes clos....and where is she today? I'm not going to argue this to death, but, if the shaft is parallel to adress at 3/4, it's off plane; and Tiger isn't there. He just isn't. You're a good guy Bill, but you'll need to show me that for me to believe. Be well. bg |