From: larryrsf on

bruce wrote:
> has anyone changed over from a 2 plane swing to a one plane swing, and if so
> how long did it take to change, and what benefits did you notice? Plus what
> are some of the negatives do you have about the 1 plane?
>
> I just changed over a week ago, and i love it.

Someone should ask Allen Doyle what plane/s he uses. Ridiculous.

Just swing the clubhead through the ball and over something a foot of
so in front of the ball-- there is no need to even think about what is
happening behind you-- If the ball doesn't go straight you either
missed the ball or the object in front. Slow down and make it happen
and every ball will go straight. "Not rocket science" as they say.

http://www.megspace.com/sports/moetown/videos/doyle_clip.html

larry

From: Dave Clary on

blakestah(a)gmail.com wrote:
> Misinterpretation.
>
> Hogan didn't use video analysis. Trying to interpret his teachings
> through
> video analysis is not a straightforward application.

Gobblygook.

It doesn't matter if Hogan used video. It's quite simple--there are
instances where his book says to do something, yet video analysis of
his swing shows that he didn't do what he said in the book. Catch
McLean's show on The Golf Channel when it comes around again.

Dave

From: Ernie on
In article <1156433698.882583.84980(a)m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>,
"larryrsf" <larry(a)delmardata.com> wrote:

> bruce wrote:
> > has anyone changed over from a 2 plane swing to a one plane swing, and if so
> > how long did it take to change, and what benefits did you notice? Plus what
> > are some of the negatives do you have about the 1 plane?
> >
> > I just changed over a week ago, and i love it.
>
> Someone should ask Allen Doyle what plane/s he uses. Ridiculous.
>
> Just swing the clubhead through the ball and over something a foot of
> so in front of the ball-- there is no need to even think about what is
> happening behind you-- If the ball doesn't go straight you either
> missed the ball or the object in front. Slow down and make it happen
> and every ball will go straight. "Not rocket science" as they say.
>
> http://www.megspace.com/sports/moetown/videos/doyle_clip.html
>
> larry

So how long do you think this one-true-secret will last, Larry? And why
should we believe you when you inevitably say "forever" when you've said
the same about so many other one-true-secrets previously?

And while I'm asking questions, how is it that you claimed to have shot
a 76 at the beginning of the month, but actually posted a 78? And are
the scores that IDC shows *actual* scores, or the score adjusted after
ESC? From what I can see, they are post-ESC, so the chances are that
your 78 was actually even higher...
From: Dave Clary on

Dave Clary wrote:
>
> It doesn't matter if Hogan used video. It's quite simple--there are
> instances where his book says to do something, yet video analysis of
> his swing shows that he didn't do what he said in the book. Catch
> McLean's show on The Golf Channel when it comes around again.
>
> Dave

I'm following up my own post to make something clear. I'm certainly
not trying to knock Hogan here. He is by any account one of the best,
if not THE best, ball strikers to ever play the game. I was just
providing a small data point that takes a bit off the sheen off the
notion that Five Lessons is the Holy Bible of golf instruction. I
can't quote where others have pointed out inconsistencies between what
he wrote and what he did, but they do exist. I'm limited at work in
that I can't access streaming video but I'll do a little more checking
when I get a chance to see if I can find an example.

Dave
Googlin

From: larryrsf on

Dave Clary wrote:
> blakestah(a)gmail.com wrote:
> > Misinterpretation.
> >
> > Hogan didn't use video analysis. Trying to interpret his teachings
> > through
> > video analysis is not a straightforward application.
>
> Gobblygook.
>
> It doesn't matter if Hogan used video. It's quite simple--there are
> instances where his book says to do something, yet video analysis of
> his swing shows that he didn't do what he said in the book. Catch
> McLean's show on The Golf Channel when it comes around again.
>
> Dave

And that is the reason many, many very good players refuse to look at
their swings on video. They know there is a huge difference between
what they feel and what actually happens. But since what they try to
do works-- why tinker with it? There is nothing to gain and everything
to lose... if a Hale Irwin, for instance is winning-- what is he doing
wrong? Nothing, by definition. If he wanted to give lessons, he
could charge $1000 and have an endless line of teaching pros as
students--

The ONLY thing that matters is the ball flight-- if it can be
reproduced consistently. Harvey Penick's book talks about his college
golf team facing an opponent who had been scoring well with what
appeared to be a horrible swing. His golfer saw that and was almost
cocky about the match the next day. but Harvey asked one question,
"does he do it every time?" When the answer was "yes," Harvey knew
his boy would lose-- and he did.

This year in the Champion's Tour I am sure those with beautiful Tom
Watson swings saw Allen Doyle swing and grinned-- but they didn't grin
long when he won several events.

I think most of us should find something that works consistently-- and
keep at it! No more tinkering and experimenting, lessons, etc. Irf
it works, keep doing it and build on it. That certainly is what all
the champions of yesterday, Lee Trevino, etc. did. Most of them never
took a lesson-- Lee said he would take a lesson if he could find an
instructor he couldn't beat...

Larry

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