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From: larryrsf on 24 Aug 2006 11:34 bruce wrote: > has anyone changed over from a 2 plane swing to a one plane swing, and if so > how long did it take to change, and what benefits did you notice? Plus what > are some of the negatives do you have about the 1 plane? > > I just changed over a week ago, and i love it. Someone should ask Allen Doyle what plane/s he uses. Ridiculous. Just swing the clubhead through the ball and over something a foot of so in front of the ball-- there is no need to even think about what is happening behind you-- If the ball doesn't go straight you either missed the ball or the object in front. Slow down and make it happen and every ball will go straight. "Not rocket science" as they say. http://www.megspace.com/sports/moetown/videos/doyle_clip.html larry
From: Dave Clary on 24 Aug 2006 12:13 blakestah(a)gmail.com wrote: > Misinterpretation. > > Hogan didn't use video analysis. Trying to interpret his teachings > through > video analysis is not a straightforward application. Gobblygook. It doesn't matter if Hogan used video. It's quite simple--there are instances where his book says to do something, yet video analysis of his swing shows that he didn't do what he said in the book. Catch McLean's show on The Golf Channel when it comes around again. Dave
From: Ernie on 24 Aug 2006 12:39 In article <1156433698.882583.84980(a)m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>, "larryrsf" <larry(a)delmardata.com> wrote: > bruce wrote: > > has anyone changed over from a 2 plane swing to a one plane swing, and if so > > how long did it take to change, and what benefits did you notice? Plus what > > are some of the negatives do you have about the 1 plane? > > > > I just changed over a week ago, and i love it. > > Someone should ask Allen Doyle what plane/s he uses. Ridiculous. > > Just swing the clubhead through the ball and over something a foot of > so in front of the ball-- there is no need to even think about what is > happening behind you-- If the ball doesn't go straight you either > missed the ball or the object in front. Slow down and make it happen > and every ball will go straight. "Not rocket science" as they say. > > http://www.megspace.com/sports/moetown/videos/doyle_clip.html > > larry So how long do you think this one-true-secret will last, Larry? And why should we believe you when you inevitably say "forever" when you've said the same about so many other one-true-secrets previously? And while I'm asking questions, how is it that you claimed to have shot a 76 at the beginning of the month, but actually posted a 78? And are the scores that IDC shows *actual* scores, or the score adjusted after ESC? From what I can see, they are post-ESC, so the chances are that your 78 was actually even higher...
From: Dave Clary on 24 Aug 2006 16:06 Dave Clary wrote: > > It doesn't matter if Hogan used video. It's quite simple--there are > instances where his book says to do something, yet video analysis of > his swing shows that he didn't do what he said in the book. Catch > McLean's show on The Golf Channel when it comes around again. > > Dave I'm following up my own post to make something clear. I'm certainly not trying to knock Hogan here. He is by any account one of the best, if not THE best, ball strikers to ever play the game. I was just providing a small data point that takes a bit off the sheen off the notion that Five Lessons is the Holy Bible of golf instruction. I can't quote where others have pointed out inconsistencies between what he wrote and what he did, but they do exist. I'm limited at work in that I can't access streaming video but I'll do a little more checking when I get a chance to see if I can find an example. Dave Googlin
From: larryrsf on 24 Aug 2006 18:03
Dave Clary wrote: > blakestah(a)gmail.com wrote: > > Misinterpretation. > > > > Hogan didn't use video analysis. Trying to interpret his teachings > > through > > video analysis is not a straightforward application. > > Gobblygook. > > It doesn't matter if Hogan used video. It's quite simple--there are > instances where his book says to do something, yet video analysis of > his swing shows that he didn't do what he said in the book. Catch > McLean's show on The Golf Channel when it comes around again. > > Dave And that is the reason many, many very good players refuse to look at their swings on video. They know there is a huge difference between what they feel and what actually happens. But since what they try to do works-- why tinker with it? There is nothing to gain and everything to lose... if a Hale Irwin, for instance is winning-- what is he doing wrong? Nothing, by definition. If he wanted to give lessons, he could charge $1000 and have an endless line of teaching pros as students-- The ONLY thing that matters is the ball flight-- if it can be reproduced consistently. Harvey Penick's book talks about his college golf team facing an opponent who had been scoring well with what appeared to be a horrible swing. His golfer saw that and was almost cocky about the match the next day. but Harvey asked one question, "does he do it every time?" When the answer was "yes," Harvey knew his boy would lose-- and he did. This year in the Champion's Tour I am sure those with beautiful Tom Watson swings saw Allen Doyle swing and grinned-- but they didn't grin long when he won several events. I think most of us should find something that works consistently-- and keep at it! No more tinkering and experimenting, lessons, etc. Irf it works, keep doing it and build on it. That certainly is what all the champions of yesterday, Lee Trevino, etc. did. Most of them never took a lesson-- Lee said he would take a lesson if he could find an instructor he couldn't beat... Larry |