From: larryrsf on

Ernie wrote:
> In article <1156433698.882583.84980(a)>,
> "larryrsf" <larry(a)> wrote:
> > bruce wrote:
> > > has anyone changed over from a 2 plane swing to a one plane swing, and if so
> > > how long did it take to change, and what benefits did you notice? Plus what
> > > are some of the negatives do you have about the 1 plane?
> > >
> > > I just changed over a week ago, and i love it.
> >
> > Someone should ask Allen Doyle what plane/s he uses. Ridiculous.
> >
> > Just swing the clubhead through the ball and over something a foot of
> > so in front of the ball-- there is no need to even think about what is
> > happening behind you-- If the ball doesn't go straight you either
> > missed the ball or the object in front. Slow down and make it happen
> > and every ball will go straight. "Not rocket science" as they say.
> >
> >
> >
> > larry
> So how long do you think this one-true-secret will last, Larry? And why
> should we believe you when you inevitably say "forever" when you've said
> the same about so many other one-true-secrets previously?
> And while I'm asking questions, how is it that you claimed to have shot
> a 76 at the beginning of the month, but actually posted a 78? And are
> the scores that IDC shows *actual* scores, or the score adjusted after
> ESC? From what I can see, they are post-ESC, so the chances are that
> your 78 was actually even higher...

I certainly hope so!!!! At this stage my handicap is dropping fast--I
shot 78 again yesterday-- That previous score was posted by a buddy--
and I am not going to change it! This is bad enough, I am already
down to 9 with trend lower... gonna be hard for me to win any beer!

But I am having fun hitting it straight, hitting ALL the fairways and
most of the greens. If I could putt I would be shooting scratch!

Regarding "secrets," I suspect this latest, the target in front of the
ball, is simple an evolution of my learning experience-- over 5+ years.
One thing builds on the previous accomplishments. Likely my swing
today is a culmination of everything past-- and especially of my effort
over the last few weeks to teach myself to swing slowly enough to
consistently create the divot that makes the ball go straight.
CONSISTENTLY. My ONLY swing thought on the course lately has been to
create divots with irons or 3w and to create a particular clubhead path
with driver. Let the ball go where it will-- I am just an engineer
swinging a golf club. Works for me.

Today, however, I played a hard singles tennis match-- it was fun to
endeavor to make my tennis racket continue through the ball on the
desired ball flight path-- sound familiar? The two sports are very
very related. Jack Nicklaus was smart to play tennis during his
championship golfing years.


From: David Laville on
On 23 Aug 2006 20:25:27 -0700, "Birdie Bill"
<bighorn_bill(a)> wrote:

>Yes, but... you don't have to swing that way. At my GolfTec lesson
>they showed me a swing of Tiger's at the 3/4 position where the
>shaft is parallel to the shaft address plane. That's what Haney
>teaches, and I guess Tiger has jumped onboard. I'll see if I can
>dig up a photo.

I have Haney's book "The Only Golf Lesson You'll Ever Need" published
in 1999 and he shows this "parallel to the shaft address plane"
position. It's been around for several years.

David Laville, G.S.E.M.
The Golfing Machine Authorized Instructor
From: David Laville on
On 24 Aug 2006 04:01:08 -0700, blakestah(a) wrote:

>The fundamental problem is biomechanical. If the arms
>are not working close to parallel to the shoulders, then
>the speed ot the downswing becomes critical. Too fast and
>your arms can't keep up and you slice like Mickelson
>at the US Open. Slow down and the arms come through
>and you hook.

Speed has nothing to do with hooking or slicing. How can the pros hit
their irons varying distances with accuracy if according to your
theory varying downswing speed will produce hooks and slices?

Something tells me if you vary your downswing speed this is the
results you get and therefore assume it's a universal truth.

David Laville, G.S.E.M.
The Golfing Machine Authorized Instructor
From: David Laville on
On Wed, 23 Aug 2006 20:05:48 -0700, "glfnaz" <glfnaz(a)>

>I've followed your earlier comments on this as well, then studied the
>geometry from TGM.
>In A Nutshell:
>If the base of the plane is a straight line, then....
>Then the higher the arms elevate the club, the shaft * must * become
>steeper to continue to point to the baseline of the plane.

7-7: during any shifts of planes the clubshaft is held on plane with
the plane line as though the plane itself were moving to the new

Do you have a copy of the 7th edition yet?

David Laville, G.S.E.M.
The Golfing Machine Authorized Instructor
From: David Laville on
On Wed, 23 Aug 2006 20:56:30 -0700, "glfnaz" <glfnaz(a)>

>One of the problems with this arguement is that geometric TGM'ers discuss
>'plane' as the shaft.
>But Hardy discusses "plane" as a shoulder / arm issue.
>This is an arguement that is a waste of time.
>A reference needs to be set.

This is one problem I have. Almost everyone I know in the golf world
uses "plane" to describe the flat tilted surface the clubhead swings
on. Hardy comes along and uses "plane" in a completely different
context that suits his needs.

David Laville, G.S.E.M.
The Golfing Machine Authorized Instructor
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